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Crusty
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:07 pm: | 
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Sell your house and buy one with a driveway (and a garage) |
Ulykan
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:53 pm: |
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People who are anal retentive about blipping the throttle should just buy a bicycle and put a playing card in the spokes and pretend to be riding a motorcycle. If you really have to blip the throttle you can spend a lot less money on a different brand to do it. For Pete's sake people, did you buy the bike to blip the throttle or ride? It reminds me of people who buy a motorcycle just to have a garage jewel or to put it in their front yard for people to see and they never ride it. Why else are there so many used bikes out there for sale with low miles on them? Go out and RIDE and stop whining about the engine stumbling when you blip the throttle. If you're riding then you won't be sitting there blipping the throttle. I've had my Uly exactly one month and today crossed 1K miles on the clock and I can't remember ever sitting on the bike blipping the throttle
(Message edited by ulykan on August 17, 2008) |
Rwcfrank
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:09 pm: |
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I got rid of my 02 GS1150 for the Uly, the GS was nice but I am not ready to bore myself to death quite yet. If I had no desire to wheelie, rail corners and actually ENJOY each and every ride I would probably still have the beemer. It was a great utilitarian tool. the Uly is simply GREAT. I dont have any idea what this "blip" talk is all about. I dont know why anyone would blip. I never did it on the BMW because there was no reason... |
Werewulf
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:17 pm: |
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i dont think this thread was ever about blipping a throttle, was it?...
i put 8k miles on my xb in 3 months, hardly what i would call blipping the throttle...
its about a major performance flaw and what can be done about it, other than buy another brand of bike...
if your car stumbled everytime you took off from a light, you could get your money back from a lemon law, which doesnt cover motorcycles in most states..
after 14 motorcycles and half a million road miles, i think i know the difference!
as a matter of fact, i bought an 06 xb firebolt at breakfast this morning... one of the local riders had a pristine one forsale for 5k bucks... it runs like a champ and no driveability issues...
i still want a uly or gs, but i felt this was a good deal...something to ride, when im not "blipping the throttle" on my roadking...arrrg! |
Tipsymcstagger
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:39 pm: |
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Sell your house and buy one with a driveway (and a garage)
I live on he 17th floor in Manhattan, Crusty.
People who are anal retentive about blipping the throttle should just buy a bicycle and put a playing card in the spokes and pretend to be riding a motorcycle.
JESUS CHRIST! This is the last I'll say of this; My concern has nothing to do with WANTING to blip, NEEDING to blip or HAVING to blip. It's not a matter of necessity.
It's my belief that this is a FLAW with an $11,500 machine.
If you believe you should spend your hard earned money on something that doesn't work properly, by all means, knock yourself out. I, on the other hand, believe in something called precedent. I look at 99.9% of the other vehicles available for purchase in the United States, whether they be car, motorcycle or truck. If applying the throttle while in Park or Neutral, as delivered from the factory, in all of those vehicles results in smooth acceleration, then maybe the .1% that stumbles HAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT!
If you think I'm too particular, you're entitled to your opinion. I fly jets for a living. I don't accept machinery that's not functioning properly. My life depends upon my attention to detail and so does yours. I've been trained to avoid complacency.
If you're willing to accept and be satisfied with a flawed system, fantastic! It amazes me how the loyalty some of you have to this brand results in your complete inability to accept dissenting points of view or acknowledge that there are elements of this bike that are not perfect or to everyones liking.
I have no desire to sell my bike. I look forward to riding as much as possible. I deal with the heat issues. I knew about them before buying. I put up with all of the critiques about the vibrations and the fan noise. I like my bike!
But no one is going to convince me it's okay, acceptable, normal or that I shouldn't care that the acceleration under no load is not smooth.
Tipsy |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:54 pm: |
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If you want to see "blipping" of the throttle, then go on a Buell demo and watch the Buell demo leader. These demo guys that are purportedly Buell employees are blip masters. That's all they do to the throttle. Made me sick since I figured they'd know better. |
Johnboy777
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 05:45 pm: |
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Hey Tipsymcstagger,
Quit blipping the throttle!
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Badcat
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 06:04 pm: |
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i can't hear you - some idiot keeps blipping his damn throttle! |
Jaybirdxb12x
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 06:05 pm: |
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Tipsy you might try tread marks square ideal it will completely eliminate the of idea stumble that Buells are known for. It will also wake the engine up between 2K and #k making the bike a lot more enjoyable. Buell like all other companies building air cooled engines are forced by the Uncle Sam to run extremely lean to meat emissions, because there is more thermal expansion in the motor and clearances have to bee much looser than a water-cooled motor. This problem effects more than Buell. I spoke to a guy with a DL1000 V-Strom and he has simpler problems with the addition of lurchy throttle response.
Good luck doesn’t give up on such a great bike until you get use to it. It is worth the patents |
Red_chili
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:56 am: |
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And regards the heat issue I hear endlessly about... I no longer have one. Really. No flat spot at 4K, no stumble when the throttle is whacked, just a solid pull-like-a-freight-train motorcycle.
OK, a freight train hauling ICBMs with a few of them lighting off.
Folks, TUNE the dang thing. 'Tain't hard. Quitcherbellyachin' or I'll come by your house at midnite and blip my throttle till the lights come on. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:55 am: |
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I live on he 17th floor in Manhattan, Crusty.
My condolences. Sell your condo and buy a house with a driveway and garage.
(If it's an apartment and not a condo, then just buy a house)
I'll come by your house at midnite and blip my throttle till the lights come on.
You do that, and I'll get the sound truck that Larry Fine stole in Punch Drunks and play Pop Goes The Weasel during the wee hours. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 08:06 am: |
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>>>I live on he 17th floor in Manhattan, Crusty.
I must say that one of the great "Sounds of the City" is the rattling sound of a Ducati dry clutch on a "Boro Busting" mission.
I called in dead and am going to spend the day riding . . . just too damn nice in NYC. I went to Stony Point and West Point yesterday . . . may repeat. |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 01:42 pm: |
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That "stumble" off idle isn't a problem, it's a feature of the large single throttle body.
Because the Buell motor uses a single large throttle body versus two smaller ones, you get some wonky throttle response down low, but that's not a bad thing, because it's just fine if you spin the engine up a bit.
I have had my Uly cough coming off idle and nearly dump my ass. So I learned to bring up the RPMs a bit before I start letting the clutch out. Not really "blipping", just spinning it up to about 2000 rpm before easing out the clutch. |
Werewulf
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 02:31 pm: |
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if they are so easy to tune, why do none of the aftermarkets have a cure? techlusion, asb, etc... i have called several and its the same answer, the 08s are different and a cure is in the works..
if you have to rev your motor at a traffic light to keep it from stumbling, thats a problem....you should be able to ride a buell like any other bike, or there should be a warning label on them...the buell is not a bike like the v-rod destroyer, its just a street bike that is supposed to be capable of normal safe operation in traffic..
the xb of earlier years dont have this stumble, why should it be acceptable on an 08? like i said, i just bought an 06 firebolt that runs smooth as silk and has every bit of power that my 08 had.. |
Werewulf
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 02:39 pm: |
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i see from some of the profiles, that some of those saying there is no problem, dont even own an 08!! |
Red_chili
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 03:09 pm: |
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Didn't realize the stumble conversation was limited to '08s. It was more general on the part of many, wasn't it?
True dat, there is no simple solution to the '08s. Just as there would not be for the '06-'07 without ECMSpy. |
Whitj
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 09:56 pm: |
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So WEREWOLF, is an XB in your future or will it be a GS? |
Towjam
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 12:06 am: |
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That "stumble" off idle isn't a problem, it's a feature of the large single throttle body. Because the Buell motor uses a single large throttle body versus two smaller ones, you get some wonky throttle response down low,...
If it's a characteristic of a single throttle body, why don't Harleys have this same stumble? Every injected Harley that I've owned or ridden has had near flawless mapping off idle. |
Wbrisett
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 05:47 am: |
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I know this thread was more about the warts of the Uly, but I wanted to say this. I own a BMW RT, and love it. I looked seriously at the Tiger, GS, and Uly when I wanted to buy another bike. There were a lot of things to love about the GS, and if I thought I was going to do any serious off-road trips, it would be at the head of the class, but I knew I wasn't, and I didn't need to spend the extra money. I had the opportunity to ride one, and still do since there are several new GS owners in the local BMW club I belong to. However, when I seriously considered how I was going to use my second bike (more commuting and less off-roading), it really came down to the Triumph and Buell. The magazines can say what they want about the Triumph, but it has zero soul. The Buell, complete with flaws, was and still is my bike of choice for a bike that is going to spend most of it's time on pavement. I've taken it out of long trips (TX to Georgia and back), and it works well as a touring bike. I've taken it as my daily to work and back bike, and it works well as a daily commuter (as long as it's not 100+ degrees in stop and go traffic). It simply works well in a lot of situations.
My suggestion to you is to seriously look at how you plan on riding and test both bikes. Despite the blemishes of the Uly, I'd still take it hands down over the GS.
Wayne |
Scooter808484
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 03:05 pm: |
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If it's a characteristic of a single throttle body, why don't Harleys have this same stumble? Every injected Harley that I've owned or ridden has had near flawless mapping off idle.
If memory serves, and my visual measurement system is correct, the throttle body on the Buell is quite a bit bigger than that on a Harley. Not saying that's the reason, but, if it is a low air velocity off idle issue, as Al suggested, then being larger would make it worse. The Buell is designed to make more HP than a Harley, that means more air, and thus bigger throttle body.
I will say that I do like the fuel injection system on the HDs better than the Buell. I've got my RK to about 95 rear wheel HP,(original throttle body) and despite all of the remapping, etc it still doesn't cough and spit like the Buell. I really hate it when it coughs on a blip for a downshift, or does one of those throttle body farts at low speed in a parking lot!!
Then again, I am reminded of a post I read once while discussing issues with Harley engines. "It ain't a G__ D___ Toyota Corolla for Chrissakes."
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Werewulf
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 04:11 pm: |
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i dunno, i just lost my ashe trading my 08 xb on a roadking..
i just bought the 06 firebolt and i dont need anymore bikes....
gainesville has two 08 ulys and an 09 on the floor... if i knew for a fact that the 09 would not aggravate me like my 08 did, i would buy it...
i guess im going to have to find someone with an 09 that will give me the straight scoop..
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Johnboy777
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 04:57 pm: |
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""If it's a characteristic of a single throttle body, why don't Harleys have this same stumble? Every injected Harley that I've owned or ridden has had near flawless mapping off idle.""
I ran into our Police Chief (an avid rider of sports and cruisers) a few weeks back - we have a small police force here, but for some reason they have three newer Harley's. Two with FI's and one carb'd.
FWIW, the Chief told me that both FI stumble off idle and are hard to ride slow in the parking lot.
Go figure.
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Adrian_8
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 07:58 pm: |
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My old 99 superglide starts as soon as the button is pushed and it runs perfect..has the stock carb...It still amazes me how some guys love FI..but many of the internet threads on different bikes are about the screwed up FI on their motorcycles and all the hoops they are jumping thru to try and get them to run right...and now...dirt bikes are getting this affliction... |
Werewulf
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 08:37 pm: |
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i have an 07 and an 08 FI roadking...they run flawlessly from the time you hit the starter up to redline.. |
Whitj
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 09:06 pm: |
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After just getting/reading my "25 Years of Buell" book, I think I'll keep my Uly over the GS. The Uly has more to offer, $ for $, than the GS IMHO upfront and in the long run of ownership. Read.. repairs, maintenance, parts just to name a few items on my short list. |
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