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Miamiuly
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah but I managed to stick my ktm125sx in some serious Florida quicksand type mud not too long ago.

Even my friend that helped me out was glad I wasn't riding a 525sx or something heavier. It was HOTTT and no shade.

Type of mud where you have to push the bike over, drag it out of the hole and hope you get going when you get it out.

This while sinking to your knees in mud and having to break that free to move.

Basically ATV territory. But fun, until you get REAL stuck.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Miamiuly,

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe that tire choices will arrive. There will be more aggressive tread available eventually. There are too many good bikes with 17" tires that are "adventure touring/dual sport" bikes. They are too popular and there are too many people who want to push the envelope in both the street and "off pavement" areas.

Range, I see as a problem. Not without solutions.

17" front wheel. Not an insurmountable issue. You may simply have to change your riding style.

Gearing. 12 to 9 primary clears up much of the problems.


Every bike is either a purpose built machine or a compromise. The Uly is a pretty nice compromise.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Having pushed, dragged, and carried several XR650L's up a variety of muddy Ohio hills, I would argue that those fat bastards (no offense to Ft_Bastard) are heavier then a Uly anyway. At least towards the end of the day, when I am hot, tired, dehydrated, and feeling much less younger then I once felt...

At that point, even my 280 lb KLR-250, and even my buddies 260 lb CRF-450, start to feel "way too heavy".
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Johnboy777
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

These things work great on those muddy Ohio hills.

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah but I managed to stick my ktm125sx in some serious Florida quicksand type mud not too long ago.

Even my friend that helped me out was glad I wasn't riding a 525sx or something heavier. It was HOTTT and no shade.

Type of mud where you have to push the bike over, drag it out of the hole and hope you get going when you get it out.

This while sinking to your knees in mud and having to break that free to move.

Basically ATV territory. But fun, until you get REAL stuck.


This isn't a place you would want to be on a GS or VStrom either.

Why do they get a free pass and the Uly not?
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Buelldualsport
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quick Note

Uly is listed as 425# on the Buell Web Site, KTM 990 is listed at 438 # (Dry)

Very Interesting

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Red_chili
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why do they get a free pass and the Uly not?

My point above exactly.

It must be because they don't have a 17" front wheel.


(Message edited by Red_Chili on July 21, 2008)
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Khelton
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"This isn't a place you would want to be on a GS or VStrom either. Why do they get a free pass and the Uly not?

Have ya ever noticed on AdvRider, Ride Reports..how many pictures there are of GS's laying on their side..and stories about having to wait for someone to come along and help them pick it up. ?}
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Slowride
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmmm, took the boy out on a father son excursion this past Sunday. I live in TX and we took them out the lake near where I live. Trails, elevation changes, Hill climbs, trench fording, high speed dirt riding.

Oh yeah, I was on the Uly he was on a 150 enduro. He kept complaining that I was throwing rooster tails 50 feet back into his helmet. I told him to suck it up and pass me then....

All I did was adjust the suspension on the rear and played Dukes of Hazzard. I even have the PR2 on the bike.

It is more than capable with the right rider on the bike.

End of the story.... son got heat exhaustion and passed out on the bike. I fireman carried him back to the Uly and two upped it back to the house with him on the front hanging all over the dash and windshield. We got him recooped and we went back out and got his little enduro.

Good Shitzer! Don't ya know....
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Buelldualsport
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kids : )

Hope he is alright.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

""Have ya ever noticed on AdvRider, Ride Reports..how many pictures there are of GS's laying on their side..and stories about having to wait for someone to come along and help them pick it up. ?""

That's why any adventure rider worth his salt, has the widest possible side cases - so maybe the bike falls over, what, an inch or two.

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Training "bags"?



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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some on topic humor:





















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Tm74
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe that's in the new Touratech catalog and it's only 42 grand(bike not included).
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any time you want to run forest service roads, county access roads, or power line maintenance roads, look me up.
It may not be dual sport, but do try and keep up will ya ; )

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Barker
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know why some have to pigeon hole bikes. Especially one that is as versatile as the uly.

Is it capable?

Like I always say it's more about the rider.

Would you say a 125cc scooter is a dual sport? I put my scoot thru more crap than my uly. I dumped my uly in a creek/mud hole trying to keep with my brother on my scooter.

me and my adventure scooter buddies
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Az_m2
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Those would be "dual scoots".


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Nimnal
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A Uly is a dualsport if you can bench press 425 pounds. I can't. If you're five miles in and something goes a little wrong, you've gotta be able to drag that sumbitch out of the ditch. A DR350 is just about 300 lbs, but that is plenty to wrestle when you're tired and sweaty (and old).
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Chadleys1
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for letting me have some fun on this thread, guys.

Call them what you want, wrong or right.

I might start calling real dualsport bikes enduros after this. haha



(Message edited by chadleys1 on July 22, 2008)
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Damn Barker!

What group of scooter hooligans are you hanging with?

I ride the crap out of my little 125 scooter. It's fun as hell, but the suspension sucks turds. I wouldn't take it offroad. It's hell over a manhole cover.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That water crossing looks fun! Its amazing what a street bike can do if you learn to ride it, particularly with decent tires. The 9sx with the Syncs can go a LOT more places then my M2 with D220's could even dream of.

I would not have hesitated to carefully cross that water crossing above on the 9sx or a Uly. But for the record, on my KLR-250, I would not hesitate to cross it WOT wound out in in third gear yelling "wheeeeeee!".

And therin lies the difference ; )
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I traded in a KLR 250 & A Ninja 6RR to get my City-X. I make it do both jobs. And I get to the Wheeeeee alot faster ; )
But the City-X is too fat, too heavy, too short for single track & DUH I KNOW THAT. Pity we did not get a dirt 450cc from Buell this year....
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Chadleys1
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



... still not a dualsport bike.

We need to get some wayyyy-gnarlier-than-this, Ulysses off road videos on Badweb... just for the fun of it. I like the road videos, too, but prefer the off road.
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Buelldualsport
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow

A Uly can tread water


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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

they do a nice bit with mud too. This is the number one reason I NEED a cam on my bike, the cell phone doesnt get the action shots !





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Buelldualsport
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks interesting


Good Luck

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Roostre
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

NOT a dualsport??

Damn, someone forgot to tell mine!!
















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(Message edited by Roostre on July 24, 2008)

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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now THATS packing ; ) Nice shots Roostre, thanks for sharing.
Not a Dual sport bah, I get more dirt for breakfast than many local "ADV" riders get all month.
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Buelldualsport
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2008 - 07:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Roostre:

What tires are you running?

And how did they handle the gravel in that last picture?

Interested minds are interested?
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