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Uly1080
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What exactly does turning off the White Wire do? Thanks.



I also posted this in the Knowledge Vault, but I know a lot of Uly guys are the ECMspy gurus.
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Teeps
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Would appear to apply to Euro model only.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/201475.html?1148996466
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Daveymac
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its connected to a knock sensor, Sensor listens for detention (Knock or ping), Then ECM suppose to retard timing.
All stock bikes w/white wire.
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Uly1080
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Got it, thanks.
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Maximum
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So what are the pros and cons to turning the "White Wire" on or off? It looks like my race ECM has it turned off by default.
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Daveymac
Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 06:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"So what are the pros and cons to turning the "White Wire" on or off? It looks like my race ECM has it turned off by default."

I believe Race ECM's have different timing tables along with higher RPM thresh holds (RPM axis).
I know you can't load race eeprom data in a stock ECM.
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Davo
Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The wiring diagram tells the tale of the "other white wire". The wire splits off and goes to the ECM and the speedo from the VSS which is located in the tranny. My experience was that it effected the AFV learn mode but my results were never duplicated by others. It is my opinion that there are only a few reasons that the ECM needs to know the actual speed of the motorcycle. Engine load can be calculated many ways but since there are five gears the VSS should not be a major factor in fueling. The AFV learn mode is speed sensitive.
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Id073897
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 02:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

I believe Race ECM's have different timing tables along with higher RPM thresh holds (RPM axis).
I know you can't load race eeprom data in a stock ECM.




No table swap in ECMs before 2008. EEPROM data can easily be swapped between ECMs of the same type.

Regards,
Gunter
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Id073897
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 02:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

The AFV learn mode is speed sensitive.




No, it isn't.

Regards,
Gunter
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Davo
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gunter,

Will the ECM learn if a new AFV for open loop operation if the motorcycle is not moving?

Do you know why the ECM needs to know the vehicle's speed?
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Id073897
Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Will the ECM learn if a new AFV for open loop operation if the motorcycle is not moving?




Yes.


quote:

Do you know why the ECM needs to know the vehicle's speed?



There are a few references to VSS in the EEPROM data. Mainly the different rev limiters, noise abatement and (although unused) fan settings.

Regards,
Gunter
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