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Torontobuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hello,

I have 1000km on my 2008 xb12x. It gets better every km. I'm sorry to bring this up here. I have done a search. I just want some feedback from riders who use the right side scoop available. Will this help the bike operate at a lower temp.I assume lower operating temp better for a air cooled. Is there any harm to installing one?
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08uly
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It has a right side scoop...

Just not as large as the left side

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08Uly
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Will this help the bike operate at a lower temp.I assume lower operating temp better for a air cooled. Is there any harm to installing one?

Yes.
No.
Maybe.
All of the above.
None of the above.
Some of the above.
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Teeps
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is there any harm to installing one?

Only to your wallet...
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Ftd
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a RSS on my '06 ULY. Probably the single best Farkle I have added (out of 18). My fan went from running continuously to rarely running (while the bike is in motion). Whether or not this is best for the engine is up for debate but I do know that the less the fan runs the less annoyed I get.

Frank
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Ironhead1977
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would not own an air cooled Buell without a right side scoop. It has been the best $250.00 I have spent on the bike.
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New12r
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you know that when an object is burned, it releases Phlogiston? That's why ashes weigh less than unburned wood. It only stands to reason that the RSS helps the Phlogiston molecules to escape the hot engine quicker, thus they carry off the excess heat. Also, as the Phlogiston escapes, it helps to lighten the bike; which means it will run faster and accelerate quicker.
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Backroad_hog
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All I know is my butt is cooler with my RSS
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Xcephasx
Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i was wondering if anyone had explored a "negative RSS" meaning, rather than push air over the engine, create a little cowl that was open to the back of the bike, creating negative pressure, increasing the velocity of the air being pushed in from the left? think of the smokestacks on a big-rig.

just a thought, if the theory goes that a RSS creates air pressure negating the flow from the LSS, wouldn't a cowl creating negative pressure promote more air flow across the rear head?

once again, i know this thing has been beat to death, but i haven't seen anyone talk about this aspect.+
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Joenuclear
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd like to try one but I think they are overpriced.
If you get that horse tender enough the french or french canadians will buy it.













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Aussiexbox
Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We have/had a guy making Fibreglass ones here for us and a heap of us put them on,Pro's,Fan runs less,Evens the bike up in looks,Con's,Takes forever to get up to temp in winter,and we don't get cold ones down here.
But I would not be with out one,I suppose I should say that if your as you guys call it "Parading"they will get hot on the fuel rail because the air is not being rammed into the engine.
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Ryat79
Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Make your own:
4" Gray PVC Electrical right angle pipe
3/8' metal strap
cut the pvc to about 17", i measured from the flared side (just personal preference)
cut the metal strap into a 4" and 12" length
attach the 4" strap on the front inside of the pvc and the 12" on the exposed back outside of the pvc, you are looking to attach it to the top and back screws on the right side plastic air deflector
paint it textured black and you are done
cost is $30, it is round not oval, on my next prototype i will try to make it oval, but for $30 what do you want.
I will try to post some pics.
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Fung
Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ryat, it sounds interesting, pics would be great!
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Ryat79
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 08:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ok, try #4 to post the damn pics,
here you go
yes, it should be oval, i dont know how to form pvc and havent found anything else to try, ... yet.
yes, the back strap should follow the curve of the scoop then have a right angle bend out and a right angle bend back to the screw point instead of just being straight
yes, the position might not be "optimal" for directing air to the exact top of the head
all good ideas for for rev 2 and easily addressed, but i am currently working on rewiring the headlights and adding 2 more additional ones first, i will post when i get to working on rev2

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Treadmarks
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sweet.

I bet it could also be used to launch flaming tennis balls at cagers that try to cut you off.
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Gotj
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of the most creative farkles ever! I just wish I had half of your imagination.
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Fung
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

looks cool
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Windrider
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am one of the few who took the RSS off.

I liked it for commuting and rides where the bike was in motion and for cooler weather.

However, in hot weather and riding around town it seems to me that the fan has less efficiency with the RSS... probably has less flow because of the bigger opening.

I noticed with the RSS when the fan would finally come on that the seat would be really hot by then and it seems that the engine was hotter. I noticed after changing my oil with the RSS installed that my gaskets on the drain plugs were kind of melted... this concerned me as I had never seen that before when I was running without the RSS and made me wonder if the engine or oil was getting too hot so I took it off.

I ride in temps up to 110 deg F and end each ride with a 2.5 mile uphill climb on a dirt road so many RSS installed bikes may not suffer as mine did in such extreme conditions.

I have come to accept the fan.

Like I said earlier for some types of riding I liked the RSS better but overall, for all conditions, I think that the stock configuration is better. If you feel differently, great, ride on with your RSS and for some riding conditions it might fit you better.

There are many passionate posts on the RSS so make your own decisions based on your bike and riding style.
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Bertotti
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One thing is for sure, I do not want to cook the boys! I will be trying it on and off in hot temps this summer to see if i notice a difference.

I really need to find the source for Treads heat tape he used on the bottom of his seat.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I really need to find the source for Treads heat tape he used on the bottom of his seat.

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Bosh
Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

" I do not want to cook the boys!"

Hmmm... you could re-pipe Ryat79's scoop a little and VIOLA chilled nuts!


PS you'd probably want to put an intake screen on the thing first. Just incase you run into a bee swarm.....
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Buford
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Have one installed on my XB12S. Temps are running about 300 front cyl and 325-350 on the rear. Need to remove and see what differences are if any. Looks darn good though!
Buford
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lined the trunk of the wife's Magnum R/T with duct insulating mat from Home Depot; not a heat issue, but noise (the SLP LoudMouth II catback has a bit of a rumble, LOL). Cheap, sticks nicely, works well, less than 1/4" thick so it'd probably stick to the underside of the seat without any problems or interference.
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Luftkoph
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

these folks have a good prod.I lined the inside of my frame rails with it
http://www.thermotec.com/index.php
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