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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’ve got nowhere to work on the Uly here in NYC so I emailed the jacking cradle template to my dad in MA. His garage is 4X bigger than my apartment : )

He’s going to cut the cradles and is going to brace them together with some additional 2” x 4” but he wants to know how far apart they need to be spaced.

Does the muffler have two specific points where the cradles must be placed? Or can they be placed anywhere along the body of the muffler? Is if good enough just to space them equal to the width of the supports on the Sears motorcycle jack (like this)?


Stand


Also, I bought a used Drummer from another Badweb member and will swap it out while I’m up there. Can I remove/install the muffler on the side stand or do I need for the bike to be upright?

I’ve never used/owned a rear stand before and was hoping not to have to buy one.

Thanks.

Tipsy
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Alchemy
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Does the muffler have two specific points where the cradles must be placed? "

In the picture the jack points are visible on the muffler as triangles with a line above. I made my support to center on these jack points. Not near it now so can't measure it for you.
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Rubberdown
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The muffler is marked at the jacking points.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tipsy- look at the muffler and the jacking points are marked. In the photo above, you can the two marks on the side of the muffler- one is just aft of the rear muffler clamps (a small vertical arrow pointing to a horizontal line). The other is just behind the forward wooden block (harder to see). The jack should be about 2 inches farther back than it is in the above photo, but obviously it's not really critical.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just to make it really clear:


jacking points
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The jack should be about 2 inches farther back than it is in the above photo, but obviously it's not really critical.

Okay...I do see the triangle marks now.

From looking at the photo, it appears that spacing the blocks directly on the jack pads (as in the photo) is just about the same width as the marked jacking points...but as you point out, it appears this particular bike has the jack positioned a little forward of those points.

Tipsy
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but obviously it's not really critical.

I never knew there were specific jacking points, I just put a jack under one end or the other. Obviously not too critical.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but obviously it's not really critical.

Could be part of the "the muffler makes a really good skidplate" pitch the instructors gave us back in '06 when the Uly was released... : )
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Thunderbox
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can change out your muffler while the bike is on the sidestand. You don't need to remove the tensioner either.
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can change out your muffler while the bike is on the sidestand. You don't need to remove the tensioner either.

That's what I wanted to hear!

Thanks!

Tipsy
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Supertoon
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You don't have to remove the servo cable either, just back off the tension and disconnect it at the muffler. Also seems like you can re use the front muffler strap!
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You don't have to remove the servo cable either, just back off the tension and disconnect it at the muffler.

Good to know. I guess there's an electrical sensor that stays connected so the check engine light doesn't illuminate?


Also seems like you can re use the front muffler strap!

Yeah, I haven't received my service manual yet, but I've been doing some reading in the archives and I guess (although the manual calls for replacement) there's debate about whether this is actually necessary?

Does the manual stipulate all of the straps to be replaced or just the most forward strap?

Tipsy
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08uly
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IIRC it's 11" inches center to center for the jack points on the XB muffler.

Two straps in the back (redundancy) so you can reuse those but they do recommend replacing the front strap & the Torca clamp on the header (maybe a liability thing?).

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08Uly
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info 08Uly.

Tipsy
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Pso
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 08:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Didn't awhile back someone also suggest that it is best to put the straps on differently so that it would be even an easier job?
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tipsy:

What's the intel on jacking. I just went to lift the Uly and found my Pit Bull stands aren't even close. I'm going to need to buy, I suspect, a jack and come up with some rig similar to what you have.

Does anybody make/sell one?

What's the best way to go?

Court
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court...the easiest solution is to buy an inexpensive motorcycle jack from either Harbor Freight or Sears and then make a cradle using this template.

A lot of people criticize the sub $100 jacks with regard to quality. I've had the Sears jack for 10+ years...for the amount of use it gets, it's been flawless.

Hope this helps.

Tipsy


(Message edited by TipsyMcStagger on July 05, 2009)
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491810
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can anyone help me out with this 'acking cradle template'??? I also like to lift my xb12ss safely with my jack. Living in NYC I do the most stuff on my own. Now I need to take out both tires to get new rims. Therefore such a cradle would be perfect for me b/c the bottom of the buell engine isnt flat so I cant lift the buell safely. Thanks for your help. Borrowing me the cradles would also help me very much. ; )
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491810
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can someone tell me where to buy such a 'jacking cradle'? Or is there just the DIY solution???

I saw some post in other forums where they pointed to americansportbikes.com - but they dont have that in their shop.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The muffler cradle is completely DIY, if you want to go that route use the template in the link Tipsy posted above, and cut them out of wood.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2013 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You only need the cradle if you want both wheels off the ground at once, which is pretty rare in my experience.

Otherwise just use a floor jack and the sidstand and the other wheel as a tripod for quick and dirty stuff, or two jackstands and a piece of rebar through the axle for the bigger jobs.
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