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Uly1080
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just noticed that just my right heated grip is not heating. The left one is still fire. Any thoughts? Fuses and wiring are fine as far as I can tell, but something has to be wrong.

-Conchop, when your grips were giving you trouble, was it one or both?

Thanks.

Josh
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Tiberius
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just a though, but the way the wire connects to the grip seems like it will be subject ot fatigue with throttle use......I just bought one, but it looks like a dodgey design
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Ahowudoon
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My right one stopped working as well, however it was due to laying the bike down and shredding the end of the grip. Thant kind of exposed and broke some of the resistance wires...

Got a new right grip on order from Al at American Sport Bikes for $70. A bit pricy, but the bike is new and I just had them installed, so I wanted to get it fixed up the way it was.
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Bross
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Posted by: Tiberius "Just a though, but the way the wire connects to the grip seems like it will be subject ot fatigue with throttle use......I just bought one, but it looks like a dodgey design.

No different than the Symtec wrap around grip heaters I have installed on about 6 previous bikes of mine. I did break that same connection a few times on my meanstreak in the 40,000kms I rode it, but also learned a few tricks. Wrap the connection wires around the grip once to take the strain, this eliminates the constant pulling on the solder connections. I always checked and resoldered the connections to the heating element. A simple wrap of electrical tape can take the strain off the solder joints as well.

The Symtec grips are an inexpensive grip heater that work well with some caveats. having learned about the polly heaters on this board, that's what I just ordered for my wifes new bike and I believe that's the better design, no wire getting bent every time the grip is twisted.

There are some situations where you can't use the polly heaters and in those cases I'll just use the Symtecs.}
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Uly1080
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just spoke with Buell customer service, then the dealership from whom I purchased the grips, and then my local dealer. Apparently heated grip wire failures are becoming a relatively common issue. Everyone so far has been willing to help resolve the issue under warranty (although the dealers were a bit more willing to help than Buell customer service), so I'll keep my fingers crossed and post an update on the outcome as this may become a larger issue affecting more heated grips (hopefully not). The trick now is to convince Buell to warranty the right grip without having send the whole system in. Roanoke Harley/Buell seems optimistic this can be accomplished.

-Yes, I like to use parenthesis (obviously).
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Uly1080
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well now the damn thing is getting warm, but not hot like the left one.
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Nipsey
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm just sayin....
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats why I like the Polly cartridge heaters, no moving parts. On the other hand, it takes quite a bit longer for the heat to make it out after you turn them on (up to 5 miles).

A friend of mine has a Honda Blackbird with heated grips, and he has to rebuild them yearly.
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Joe_solo
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lots of kms on Beemers never had to repair or replace the grips. The stock Buell grips get HOT. Do you think this could this the reason for failure? Was thinking that I should put some sort of rheostat in the line, haven't figured out how yet or where to place one.}
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put them on my Uly, they worked great. I just put them on my SS, and the left dosen't seem to get as hot as the right. I am still investigating.
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Tipsymcstagger
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put them on my Uly, they worked great. I just put them on my SS, and the left dosen't seem to get as hot as the right. I am still investigating.

Isn't that typically because the left heating element is mounted to the bar itself, which conducts much of the heat away from the grip, while the right is mounted around the plastic throttle assemble which doesn't conduct as well?

I used the Dual Star kit in the past. Dual Star's design supposedly compensates for this difference. I never noticed a large heat disparity between the left and right grip.

Tipsy
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Towjam
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lots of kms on Beemers never had to repair or replace the grips. The stock Buell grips get HOT. Do you think this could this the reason for failure?

Doubtful. I think the difference is that BMW's heated grips don't use external wiring and therefore the wiring is not subject to the same type of stress on the throttle side like Buell's implementation.
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Joe_solo
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Towjam - good point about the Beemers internal wiring. Had a Suzuki DL1000 for a season used the grips almost continuously for a 16,00km trip across the country and back in spring of 2003 - those were of a similar configuration to the Buell setup. As far as I know the bike now has close to 100k on the clock and the grips still work. (At least the current owner hasn't made comment regarding a failure).
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Towjam
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've owned 5 beemers - all with heated grips. While I'm glad to see Buell offering them as standard equipment for their touring bikes, I'll always consider BMW's grips as the "gold standard".
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Motonut_1
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put a set of Symtec grips on my wife's '97 BMW F650. After she sold the bike, she bought another F650 with BMW OEM heated grips. She has always said the Symtecs worked better than the BMW grips.
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Towjam
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't speak for the grips on the 650, but the current gen grips on the beemers adjust the heat on the low setting based on the ambient temp. If you toggle to the "high" position, they just go to 100%. Before I figured this out (and confirmed), I thought there was a problem with the low setting.
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