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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Evidently my ass has the mystical ability to destroy Bank Angle Sensors.

My THIRD one has failed.

Maximum got to see if first hand. I dropped into a right hander and "Bluh", no go. As always, I cycled the kill switch mid turn and brought the beast back to life.

This will make two AFTER the recall.

Anyone have a clue why they keep failing? What am I doing to them? Are Uly's not supposed to lean?
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I certainly lean mine, with no issue.

I'm thinking you have another issue maybe?

Wiring?

Do they actually test the BAS and determine it is bad, or just replace it?
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Khelton
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 09:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry to hear that Ft_bstrd, that could ruin your whole health record.

How far leaned over were you ?
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M2nc
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone done a resistance check on the BAS circuit? If the circuit is grounding out and causing the voltage to surge you can fry sensors. Check the voltage on the circuit. See if you can activate the new sensor to see if you have resistance in the circuit. If you do trace the wires to see if one or several are pinched.

(Message edited by M2nc on November 11, 2007)
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Rwcfrank
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe I am naive but cant the BAS be bypassed?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It can be bypassed. The only risk is that should the bike fall over or wreck the engine will continue to run and fuel will continue to pump.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since this is only a problem on the Uly I would strongly suspect problems with the location.

FIrebolts and lightnings are leaned over as much as Ulys if not more and this never came up.


Then again maybe you should wear a dangerous emissions placard on your ass!
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Maximum
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ft_bstrd said: "Maximum got to see if first hand. I dropped into a right hander and "Bluh", no go."

Bummer...I just thought that I was finally able to keep up with you on a tight curve!
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ft_bstrd, just like your voltage regulator, your BAS keeps failing because you don't stress it enough! A weekly mandatory spill is required to prevent the BAS from failing : )
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fatty,

If you have ECMspy, I am pretty sure the BAS can be disabled through an eprom edit.

Let me do some digging and I will have an answer today.

Another fix that worked for me is to deflect the heat away from the bas/ecm. I did this with a modified odie blanket and have not had a problem since.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here ya go fatty:

This was posted from another board by Gemini.

"for all you crazy stunters. if you change 0x8 from 7b to 6b, you will turn off the bank angle sensor logic that would shut your bike off when on it's side or for if you want to remove your sensor for space reasons."
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You been doing the burrito platters again?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're like crack. : |
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Chris_in_tn
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am also on my third BAS but they were all before the recall/relocation. I wonder if it may be some loose screws on the mounting plate or on the sensor causing excess vibes. Any idea if they are using any loctite on the screws?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They didn't use any loctite on my bolts, because at Buelltoberfest I noticed I had no bolts. I had to scrounge some from U4euh. They are loctited now.
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Screws loose, burritos, and doing crack......hummmmm you sure the BAS failed, or just wanted to leave you?
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Chadhargis
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fatty...I weight the same as you, and I am still on my factory BAS. No issues for me. I have shared some other problems with you such as the fan, rear bearings, stator, and voltage regulator. I've also had a leaking fork seal.

My wife says, "You need to sell that bike, it's always in the shop", but I love it so much! : )
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Treadmarks
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would be on my third unit if continued to change them when they fail. My original unit failed at a buck and change on the expressway on the way to work at 0530. I bought a new bas and replaced it. 3 months later, a buck and change on the exact same place at the exact time it failed again. This time I elected not to replace it, and just install heat barriers between it and the engine. No problemo since. A buck tewntyfive this morning, same dip in the same curve and the same time and no problem. No matter where you mount it, make sure it is away from the heat and vibes.

It can be bypassed. The only risk is that should the bike fall over or wreck the engine will continue to run and fuel will continue to pump.

There is a kill switch on the right side, and a key switch on the left side. If I can't get to it to turn it off, then let it burn baby burn.
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"My wife says, "You need to sell that bike, it's always in the shop", but I love it so much!"

I can agree with almost all of that statement.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My problem with her statement is that there isn't another bike out there that meets my needs like the Ulysses does. I'd love to have an Multistrada or a Tiger, but both of them have their downsides too.

The only non-17" wheeled option I'd consider is a 1200GS because I like those funky Bavarian bastages.
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Barker
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an ecmspy system, you can come over and turn of the BAS.

Just dont drop the bike.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll have the dealer replace it one more time under warranty. Next one that takes a dump, and I'll turn it off.

There HAS to be some reason mine keeps killing them.
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Florida_lime
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think you're killing them, just tripping it.
Who knows why, but...

My '07 tripped more than a dozen times in several thousand miles, until I bought a replacement BAS.
The new BAS sits in the saddlebag, waiting for the original to cut out one more time...

Been waiting for 6000 miles since I put it there, though.
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Augie_dogie
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cripes Jeremy

you break them to easily

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aug, sup dude. I thought you's dead!

Yeah, I don't know what the problem is, but they no likey.
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Augie_dogie
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not dead yet....Doin' good
I don't post much and spend most of the time reading.
I am getting ready for a long winters farkling session and trip planning for 2008.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's snowmobiling season anyway!

Snowmobile, the anti-farkle.
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Bross
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's snowmobiling season anyway!

Snowmobile, the anti-farkle.

Um...
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(Message edited by bross on November 15, 2007)
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Treadmarks
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on fatty. You know better than that. Us southern folk might not be hip to it, but that don't mean it don't exist.

At least not to the guys at mountain performance.
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2007 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here ya go fatty:

This was posted from another board by Gemini.

"for all you crazy stunters. if you change 0x8 from 7b to 6b, you will turn off the bank angle sensor logic that would shut your bike off when on it's side or for if you want to remove your sensor for space reasons."

YES! I want to remove the BAS from my Uly. Now, about all that electronic trickery. How does that work?
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