| Author | Message | ||
     B18c5 |
Anyone have any idea if this is possible or not? The forks are the same size. Are the brake disc different? Is the mounting from fork to caliper different? I have ridden the 1125R at Barber and I would love to have that front brake on my 08 XB12X. | ||
| Anonymous |
Definitely possible. The disc and the caliper mounting points are identical. You'll need a caliper, and you'll need to change the master cylinder to an XBRR or 1125R unit to get the leverage ratio right; otherwise you'll end up with about a half finger front brake, way too powerful. The 8-piston caliper is now in full mass production, so it's quite a bit less expensive than when it was for the XBRR only. | ||
| Court |
Can I have this one? . . . .   | ||
| Ratbuell |
This seems an appropriate place to ask, so.... Hey Anon - any chance of Buell offering an accessory "upgrade kit" for ZTL2 fitments to XB bikes? Having ridden the 1125 at Pocono...WOW, what a system. It's a hassle to try and fit a ZTL to my S1W...but if there's an easy "kit" for a ZTL2 it may drive me hard enough to figure it out, LOL. Or maybe...I could find a way to fit it to my wife's (unridden) '02 Sporty that I'm getting ready to chop into | ||
| Reepicheep |
Man... I have less beefy calipers on my minivan... | ||
| 4cammer |
I would have to guess that an upgrade kit to convert current XB's would sell pretty well if priced decently. Any dealer here have the individual prices for the 1125R caliper and master cylinder? | ||
| Court |
>>>>any chance of Buell offering an accessory "upgrade kit" for ZTL2 fitments to XB bikes? If there is interest in such a kit I **may** be able to help . . . tell me more about what you would want in the kit and expect from it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'd love an upgrade kit. It should probably include master cylinder, brake line, caliper. Pads should be sold separately to allow purchase of after market pads or stock. I'd like a plug and play system. No reason it shouldn't be. The only issue I see is that the blake line lengths might differ from model to model (SCG vs 12X) and that the wiring plug that links the brake lever to the rear brake light might be different between the 1125R and the XB. Shouldn't be, but might. I'm very interested in this modification. Improved braking to me is better than more horsepower. | ||
| Bud |
 like it very much  but i'm a heavy braker.. next step is, brake less corner harder | ||
| Florida_lime |
Without a doubt, this is an upgrade I will be doing if at all possible, once the parts are readily available. The stock brakes work well, but I have not been 100% happy with them. I have the Lyndall pads in now, but I would like more feel and less effort at the lever. From what I have read, the 1125R calipers might do the trick. Something close to the Brembo monoblocs on my Hypermotard S would be nice......  | ||
| Jlnance |
any chance of Buell offering an accessory "upgrade kit" for ZTL2 fitments to XB bikes? I think you would have a much easier time convincing someone like American Sportbike to offer such a kit. They don't have to deal with all the legal issues that Buell does. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think they'd be OK with it liability-wise. Look in an HD catalog sometime - they have black Brembos, silver Brembos, and chrome Brembos for the touring and VRSC bikes this year. Same deal for the earlier brakes too. Package it as a caliper/master cylinder kit (which makes the basics pretty "universal" for any XB), add your own bike-specific brake line (to be packaged with crush washers and banjo bolts) and pads. Presto. More "whoa" for your "go" If there is a difference in brakelight switch wiring, package that in with the bike-specific hose setup. Ooooorrrr...set up a few total kits to include caliper, m/c, line, washers, and switch as needed, for the following applications: XB-R XB-S, sS, SX XB-Scg XB-X, TT I think four part numbers would cover the different suspensions and hose lengths for all of the XB variants...of course, if the hose fittings are the same on the ZTL system and the ZTL2 system, you can keep your OEM brake line since they're all braided stainless anyway. | ||
| Bertotti |
This is funny I think ,y front is just fine is a bit touchy but the rear is where I want a kit with more stopping power. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I rode the 1125. Hard. They tell me it had a rear brake....but even on the track I never felt the need to use it | ||
| Gotj |
"This is funny I think ,y front is just fine is a bit touchy but the rear is where I want a kit with more stopping power." Amen, Brother. You preach the TRUTH! BTW, if you get any leads on better rear brakes, please be sure and share. I ride my other bikes after riding the Uly and lock up the rear because I'm used to stomping on the Uly lever. I've heard some people blame the other bike's brakes rather than the pathetic Uly's. | ||
| Florida_lime |
I like the rear brakes on the Uly just the way they are now. To me, it's like Goldilocks and the 3 bears -- this one is jusssst right. I find myself locking the rear brake of my Ducati since I only ride it occasionally in comparison to the Buell. Opposite problem compared to the Aprilia, you won't lock it up, intentionally or not. | ||
| Court |
>>>They don't have to deal with all the legal issues that Buell does. What legal issues? | ||
| Michael1 |
I too loved the 1125R brakes on the track. But honestly... this upgrade: http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/16106.html has transformed my Uly. I now have the modulation I require, the sheer out right stopping power and great all weather all terrain feel. I am running the Nissan radial with Castrol Syn3 full synthetic brake fluid and Lyndall Gold Pads. It is even better than my track bikes brakes...and those aren't even close to stock. Plus it's a cheap upgrade. Pic is from the American Sport Bike website...  | ||
| Jlnance |
What legal issues? I'm just guessing here Court, you probably actually know, so please set me straight if I'm wrong. If Buell were to sell an brake kit, wouldn't they have to recertify the bike with all the regulatory authorities that the bike with that kit on it met all the applicable regs? Not that the bike wouldn't, but I can see it being a huge PITA to do the paperwork and whatever testing/inspections it might involve. (Message edited by jlnance on November 04, 2007) | ||
| Court |
>>>> wouldn't they have to recertify the bike with all the regulatory authorities that the bike with that kit on it met all the applicable regs? Why? I'm not picking on you . . . I am making a point. Harley-Davidson has 4 brake rotor options (page 114), two pages (110 and 111)devoted to brake line kits, and no less than 3 front fork spring retrofit kits. Where do I go to insure that if I buy one of these it that the motorcycle has been properly recertified for use with this catalog product? We are, by the way, learning about the internet (the same electronic contraption tat recently suggested Froggy "contact the feds for help" when he crashed his Uly for the 3rd time and after the wreck found a broken shock mounting. Folks do a lot of INCORRECT ASSUMING. So scurry off and find me the section of the FMVSS (by the way . . . brakes and instrument displays are HUGELY regulated) would prevent or impeded Buell from offering such a kit. | ||
| Jlnance |
Hey Court I might be completely wrong, I'd like to know. Here is the logic I'm working under. The after market people do a lot of stuff that is illegal that no one cares about enough to prosecute. Every single after market muffler is illegal for street use is it not? The FBI isn't knocking down Kevin Drummers door. Yet Buell stopped selling the race muffler, allegedly due to legal fears. Whats the difference? Buell has more to loose and Buell is an OEM. My point isn't that Buell can't offer such a kit. Rather, an aftermarket company can put together such a kit, put it on a bike, verify that it works, and sell it. Buell probably has to do much more than that. | ||
| Blake |
Jim, I doubt that there are any regulations on brakes that would make much of a difference. Certainly the brakes have already been tested and proven by Buell for use on the street on the 1125R. I think that is the difference between a brake kit and a muffler or other engine performance enhancing "for off road use only" products. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Hey Anon - any chance of Buell offering an accessory "upgrade kit" for ZTL2 fitments to XB bikes? Having ridden the 1125 at Pocono...WOW, what a system. Call up Budc at Hals(one of our sponsors), IIRC, he's doing the upgrade to his own bike as well. | ||
| Diablobrian |
A bunch of us will be doing this upgrade on our street bike(as finances allow) not so much because we NEED it as it is because we WANT it. | ||
| New12r |
You can buy the RR master cyl for $90 from buell, and then add the caliper for roughly $700 and bam, there is your kit. already available. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Now, IIRC, Danny Bilansky suggested against the RR's master cyl. But I don't remember what he said to use as an alternative. | ||
| Jlnance |
$700  | ||
| Chadhargis |
Now that the 1125 is using the ZTL2 caliper and master cylinder, I'll be looking for a parted out eBay crash special on an 1125 sometime next spring or summer. Should be able to buy the caliper and master cylinder for $300 or so off a junkyard special. Heck, I bought a complete engine, intake and all, for my GSX-R600 for $400. eBay is the BOMB! | ||
| Barker |
700+ is the XBRR low production price. With the 1125R, I expect the ZTL2 to drop in price around the 350 mark. | ||
| Mr_keys |
Anyone have any idea if this is possible too on my 07 XB9SX? The problem is the part number for brake line. Does not have the 08 option. |
