| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
If a person had more money than sense, and had every new part that differentiates the 08 from the 06/07, could the 06/07 engine be retrofitted with those parts to become an 08?? I'm talking theoretically, and including wire harness and 08' ECM and everything else (oil pump, auto TCM, auto-Timing, throttle body ect, ect ). What would the cost be in parts. | ||
| Lorazepam |
Nope, the 08 engine mods cannot be made to fit the earlier engines. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I would expect the answer to explain why not. | ||
| Birdmanrh |
That would truly be a person with more money than brains.... | ||
| Teeps |
Electraglider_1997 Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 If a person had more money than sense, and had every new part that differentiates the 08 from the 06/07, could the 06/07 engine be retrofitted with those parts to become an 08?? Yes... but there would be so little left of the original engine as to make it pointless to do such an update. I'm talking theoretically, and including wire harness and 08' ECM and everything else (oil pump, auto TCM, auto-Timing, throttle body ect, ect ). What would the cost be in parts. The cost would be prohibitive to do such an exercise. It would be cheaper to just by an '08 and be done with it. Your premise has paradox written all over it... | ||
| Lorazepam |
I would look for the thread that described the differences that was posted here a while back. The oil pump is in a different spot, the cam position sensor is in a different place, and a couple other things I dont remember at the moment. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The crankshaft has a larger pin and a different (larger?) left side bearing. The rods are likely different because of the larger crankpin. The engine cases are likely different because of the different crank and oil pump drive arrangement. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Everybody is guessing here. Forget I asked. | ||
| New12r |
The cases are different and I believe I read that in Fuell. | ||
| Nimnal |
Yes. | ||
| Diablobrian |
This is not a guess: The cases are different as well as the oil pump pick-up and ignition trigger. The crank and rods are also different. Now to opinion: Basically you need to replace the entire bottom end of the motor to do the retro-fit. It would be cheaper and easier to buy a crate motor and install it. I do not know if the pre-08 wiring harness will mate up to the connectors on the new motor. I'm sure that the oil lines could be worked out as long as you used the new style oil cooler. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I think you'd have to have a lot more dollars than "sense" to under go such a task. If you have an equal amount of dollars to sense, buying an 08 would seem to be the the path of logic. Just thinking about having to change the engine and the wiring harness and the ecm and the oil lines make me cringe. There's probably other things that I'm not aware of. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Or fix it till it breaks? | ||
| Birdmanrh |
Electroglider, Yes, it could be done, but at what point is the bike still an "A" model? The sum of parts would exceed the cost of the new bike. Rough guess would be 20K. When they designed the '08 they used the '07 as the platform, so yes in theory you could do the same thing. Does that make you feel better? | ||
| Crusty |
The crankcases are different. The Crankshaft is different. The connecting rods are different. The cams are different. The oil pump is different. The charging system is different. The fuel injection is different. The ignition is different. The engines look similar, but they're very different from each other with only a few common parts. The '08 engines are the descendants of the XBRR. That's why we decided to wait for an '08 Ss for Terri and pay MSRP, when we could have gotten an '07 at a decent markdown. As good as the '07's are, I believe that the '08s are that much better. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
It was a theoretical question. Just to get the mental juices flowing. | ||
| Etennuly |
 .......there ya go! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Yuck. mental juice. | ||
| Nimnal |
So the answer is still yes. You can also start with a 1952 Vincent Shadow and change all the parts that are different and end up with a 2008 Ulysses. But only in black. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
If Buell wants to be the ultimate customer focused company then here is an idea: Create a program that is similar but surpasses Harley's engine rebuild program. The Buell dealer would box up and ship your Buell engine back to Troy where they would rebuild and refurbish your engine to the latest build spec, currently 2008. Then ship it back with all the other necessary bits for you or the dealer to make your bike just like the 2008. All for a price that makes it worth it, say $4000 all inclusive including shipping both ways. Sure, it's a wet pipe dream, but that's what dreams are for. |
