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Tomtower
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone here in the USA(especially around the Springfield,MO area)are using EMCspy? If so, where did you get the cable's to hook up the bike to the PC? or did you make them. Help would be appreciated.
Thanx, Tom
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Teeps
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a guy called sonic on the UK Board that reportedly will build them. Don't have a cost (from him) but was rumored $50.

I'm in the process of building one. The parts are on order.

I'll post my results when the project is finished.
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Bertotti
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you guys running xp or vista? I am going to add the program to my mac just for this software and wonder will it work with vista.

I can't find the link now but there were some instructions on how to build the cable. Might want to check the thread at adv.
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Bosh
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just made up two cables. Parts came to ~ $29.00 for each complete cable.
Tested and working. Reset my TPS in about 10 minutes. Probably only 5 next time ;}.

Connector to bike: DEUTSCH 4 PIN DT06-4S
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK-DEUTSCH-4-PIN -DT-CONNECTOR-KIT-18-16-AWG-HARLEY_W0QQcmdZViewIte mQQcategoryZ107062QQihZ016QQitemZ260155477647QQtcZ photo

Connector to computer: TTL-232R-WE
http://ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-23 2R-WE.htm
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Steveshakeshaft
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a guy called sonic on the UK Board that reportedly will build them.

That is correct, try the forum at www.ukbeg.com there are plenty of threads there to read. HTH.
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Geopatr
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered one from Sonic. It was 30.00 UK Pounds shipped. I should be seeing it early next week. I'll let you know how it works. : )
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Geopatr
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered one from Sonic. It was 30.00 UK Pounds shipped. I should be seeing it early next week. I'll let you know how it works. : )
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Tomtower
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you think Sonic will send cables to the US? Are you guys using usb port or the serial port? How much is 30.00 pounds, US?
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Bosh
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sonic will ship to the U.S. Several guys on this side have bought from him already.
$30 GBP = ~ $60.00 U.S.

(Message edited by bosh on September 10, 2007)
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Bosh
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I made up one extra connector thinking a guy at work may want one too. If he doesn't, I can sell it for $30.00 (my cost to build) + postage. I'll post tomorrow after I find out. (If anyone is interested).
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Jcbikes
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PM sent to Bosh
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Tomtower
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bosh
I would be interested
Tom
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Bosh
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

JC & Tom, Electraglider beat ya to it. Sorry about that.

bosh.
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Tomtower
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bosh
Thanks anyway
Tom
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Red_chili
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bosh, you oughta throw in 10-15 bucks gross profit and do a sideline!

(Message edited by Red_Chili on September 12, 2007)
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Whitj
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I made myself one, use it all the time and it works better than VDST IMHO. My VDST-STD is going on e-bay when I get time. ECMspy does everything VDST does & goes way beyond. Plus.... its 1/3rd the cost, no dongle, USB PNP and it has very user friendly software. I would be willing to make a mess of them if enough guys would like to have one. It's not worth my time and trouble for less than ten kits. Yes it works w/ Win2000 and XP as well. I don't have Vista but see no reason why it would not work on Vista either.

$60 for the following kit.
1) USB to Buell ECM cable interface
1) ESMspy with diagnostic software and EEPROM tool.
1) CPU to USB to ECM software patch
1) Detailed user / tune guide

I am a controls engineer and live in Phoenix AZ for any local Buell riders.

Ten orders and I'll make them.

For sale: one VDST-STD kit. $150 takes it.

Send me a PM for interest in either ECMspy or VDST.

John
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Jim_sb
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put me down for 1 kit for my Ulysses.

Jim_SB@hotmail.com

Regards,

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Bosh
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think it's a great idea to start selling other folks freeware on here.
Those guys put a lot of time and work into the program and went to great lengths to make it available to the Buell community.
If someone starts selling it for a profit they may take the program off the net and start charging for it Themselves.

If you want to sell cables I don't think they would care as they have instructions for making them on their site.

This stuff is free:
Program: http://www.bike-pix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2034 0

Instructions:
http://www.ecmspy.com/
http://www.ecmspy.com/tuning_guide.shtml
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Whitj
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Bosh, you saved me the trouble of digging out the link. I never said I was charging for the free, "shareware". Do you think the cable is free too? Perhaps I overlooked that link. Guess what, it is neither free and is clearly not easy to source and or assemble. The parts alone cost me 45 to make the cable. Believe me, my time is worth more than 15 p/hr to make the cable(s). That's why I said a minimum of 10 to start. Not everyone can or wants to make the cable but perhaps it may be a sweet deal for a person that may want one. Just trying to help my fellow Buell'rs out. As an engineer and a controls project manager, where do you think I make my living? Not selling cables.

Free:
http://www.bike-pix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2034 0

Not Free:
USB to 5 volt dc TTL level conversion cable to plug into Buell ECM
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Jim_sb
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bosh, you make a good point and I agree.

I thought I was buying a cable and some instructions on how to make it all work; it has been obvious to me that the software itself was free.

I am not a skilled maker of cables - but my Ulysses warranty is up (and my pinging issues remains after two dealer visits re same) so I feel like I need to go this direction and this seemed like an easy way to get started.

I am still "in" for $60 and some help getting this all working.

I don't really see how he would be profiting - if at all - at these prices.

But I concur with your premise re freeware.

Best,

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Whitj
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One last point. If you ask Sonic, one of the engineer's that started the ECMspy project, he will be more than happy to sell you a cable as well. The waiting list is too long for me so I built my own. Beside, the British Pound brings it to somewhere around 80 US and a week or more shipping from GB.

Again,

Shareware = FREE
Cable = NOT FREE
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Bosh
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whitj,

Sorry, I must have misread this:

$60 for the following kit.
1) USB to Buell ECM cable interface
1) ESMspy with diagnostic software and EEPROM tool.
1) CPU to USB to ECM software patch
1) Detailed user / tune guide

No big deal as long as people know it's freeware.
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Whitj
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Tomtower
Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

John,
The USB cable has four wires and use three of them(1-orange,2-black, 3-yellow 4-not used what color is it)
Tom
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Whitj
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

USB-ttl has 6 wires. Use the
Use
1) Orange
2) Black
3) Yellow

Cut the rest.
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Tomtower
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok thanks
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is what I bought; more diy but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/RS232-to-TTL-5V-converter-boar d-KIT-AVR-PIC-MCU-WinDAS_W0QQitemZ260157867086QQih Z016QQcategoryZ50915QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD4VQQcmdZV iewItem

DT06-4S-Assy
Plug, Gray, 4-Socket, complete with sockets and wedgelock
$5.53
http://www.deutschconnector.com/products/deutsch_d t_4-way_connectors.html

I should have just got this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MAX232-RS232-to-TTL-Level-Conv erter-in-DB9-shell-ECS_W0QQitemZ290158058588QQcmdZ ViewItem
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Subseadog
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered the USB-TTL cable from mouser electronics for $20
http://www.mouser.com/search/productdetail.aspx?R= TTL-232Rvirtualkey62620000virtualkey626-DLP-TTL232 R
They give a full description in the data sheet with photo on page 36 of catalog
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Whitj
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You want the TTL-232-W not R
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Whitj
Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

5-volt version from FTDI
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