| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/html/technology.html very interesting. | ||
| Bottomsdown |
Ever heard of the 'Firestorm' spark plug said to enable 24:1 ratio: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Firestorm.ht ml Firestorm in a Thunderstorm.. anyone ever combine the two? | ||
| Ulendo |
sounds like smokey yunick (or his family) is/are finally going to get some mileage out of the high thermal efficiency engine he patented about 20 years ago. in concept, it pre heats the fuel to vapor form, then uses a turbocharger, exhaust system to intake pre heater, and one way valve system to hold the intake, and intake stroke cylinders under pressure to prevent pre-ignition/detonation. IIRC, his documented, and proven patent was viable up to air-fuel ratios of 22:1 on regular pump gas. incidentally, while not a 'big' thing in the US, most automotive propane systems work in nearly this fashion already, using engine coolant to pre-heat the fuel to engine operating temp. turbo propane is becoming common, and it'd be interesting to see how lean you could get a C3H8 engine to run with a similar pressurized intake setup.... | ||
| Terrible1one3 |
I just read an article relating to this in car and driver. It was about a research company that is trying to find a more efficient way to utilize the naturally high octane rating of E85 Etheonal. Knowing we can't produce enough of it to replace gasoline they believe it is the wrong way to go. What a company is doing is taking a very small liter (<2) motor. Running a compression ratio of over 20:1. Normally this would destroy a production motor. But using a standard fuel injection set up and a direct injection "shot's" of E85 make the engine think it is running around 150 octane gasoline thus allowing enormous power out of a small engine, Using around 30% less gasoline and using very little E85, so little you could go 2-3 tanks before having to fill up a separate 10 gallon E85 tank. Interesting stuff, I might not have gotten all the facts right but it is about what I said. | ||
| Bertotti |
Now if they come out with a uly with the E85 set up you are talking about I'm sold. I don't care if I have had this one a little over a month. I would buy for the technology of the E 85 alone especially with the better use of it. (Message edited by Bertotti on July 15, 2007) | ||
| Terrible1one3 |
The motors they are testing for are for cars, I believe one of the big 3 is working on a production version of the motor. I forgot to add the motor is supercharged and turbo charged. This means lots of stuff on a small engine. If this becomes one of the prevailing fuel saving technologies to emerge I bet it takes a long time to make it to motorcycles, if it is even possible, supercharging and turbocharging a motor and making it fit nicely in a two wheeled package. Who knows we'll see. | ||
| Teeps |
Bertotti Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 10:12 pm: Now if they come out with a uly with the E85 set up you are talking about I'm sold. I don't care if I have had this one a little over a month. I would buy for the technology of the E 85 alone especially with the better use of it. E85 is not the panacea, some people would have you believe. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Mmmmm, panacea with maple syrup and hashbrowns. | ||
| Bertotti |
Teeps I am aware that is isn't the end all be all I would just like to see the ball cap wearing farmers here see more of the cash as opposed to the oil dudes. The E 85 has been a good boost to the farm community, for now. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
The oil people have had a long time to "get it right". If we were all using Ethanol right now and someone was trying to pitch this new "gasoline" to us, it would be easy to find issues with it as well...  "What? Most of it is far far away? Pipelines? Big tankers? CRAZY!" | ||
| Teeps |
Bertotti posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 Teeps I am aware that is isn't the end all be all I would just like to see the ball cap wearing farmers here see more of the cash as opposed to the oil dudes. The E 85 has been a good boost to the farm community, for now. I would like to agree with you on the part about the money here instead of "oil dudes." But, it's not that easy. Here's an article that was sent to me about Ethanol as fuel. http://www.sema.org/Main/ArticleDetail.aspx?fc_c=9 38124x2019111x57168170&contentID=57853 With one last question: who will feed the children, when all the corn is being used for ethanol? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Ouch! that's gotta sting! | ||
| Bertotti |
The problem is who's study do you trust. For every study there is another that says the opposite. I don't think any fuel is long term anymore. But will a shift away from it be in my lifetime? Probably not but right now the farmers are getting better prices on the corn they grow of that I am sure. | ||
| Teeps |
Yes I agree who do you trust... after all studies are not sworn to tell the truth. If we're lucky, we get their version of the truth. I am just not one to emotionally respond to all the Chicken Little-ism that goes on all the time... Bertotti, I am done now; as we are hijacking this thread. (Message edited by teeps on July 21, 2007) |
