| Author | Message | ||
     Thunderbox |
Wrong Wrong and Wrong It it obvious you know nothing about cooling or lubricity and you should stick to something you have knowledge about. Does your fan on your car come on when your car overheats. No it regulates temp and comes on to make sure it doesn't overheat and maintains a relatively constant temp. You're so full of it Hinckle. You really dont know much do you. The fan comes on long before the engine is overheated. Who told you the fan is set to come on when it s already over temp. Nobody thats who. Its just your own opinion and it's wrong again. I've been working in the automotive industry for 35 years and not once have I ever seen oil not flow when it's hot. That is just Bullsh-t. If my fan comes on when my bike has overheated I guess my engine and every other Uly engine is toast because it comes on a lot. If I said my bike was black you would say it's white. Whats wrong with you anyways. Your losing your credability and fast my friend. | ||
| Thelumox |
check please! | ||
| Windrider |
Nothing generates more "heated" discussions than the right side scoop. Two ways to start a fight on this board: 1. Post "What oil should I use?l" 2. Post ANYTHING about the Right Side Scoop | ||
| Chadhargis |
You forgot #3... 3. I'm thinking about buying a Hondakawayamasuzki 600 sportbike because my Buell is too slow.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
RSS is to Uly owners as  is to golfers. Buy the scoop. Don't buy the scoop. I can think of about 492 things I'd spend $250 on before I'd buy the RSS. I think I'm on farkle number 15. I believe that we can officially recognize the First Church of the Right Side Scoop. Those who believe will never be dissuaded. Those who are "scoop atheists" will never be persuaded. I guess that makes me a "scoop agnostic". | ||
| Brad1445 |
Thunderbox I think the fan is there to regulate temps at the optimal temp for the operation of the engine. If the fan doesnt come on, the engine is not reaching proper temps. I'ts running too cool most of the time. ________________________________________ So would that be all the Harleys then are running too cool? Or the Firebolt and the regular sized Lightning also running "too cool" as they don't run as often? | ||
| Brad1445 |
Ft_bstrd Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:03 pm: I can think of about 492 things I'd spend $250 on before I'd buy the RSS. I think I'm on farkle number 15. ________________________________________________ If I KNEW I could make my bike where all I heard was the sound of a V-Twin and not a broken hairdryer I would pay $1000 for that. I love my bike that much, and hate that noise that much. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Disconnect the fan. Problem solved. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
my Ulysses now has 8000 miles on it and the only time my fan ever comes on (now that it is fully broke in) is when I turn the ignition off! And as far as the heat on my right leg, it doesn't bother me, but then again that's because I'm tough!!! lol | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Uly's aren't for the weak! My fan whines at a pitch I find soothing. Maybe your Uly has tested you and found you lacking. | ||
| Brad1445 |
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| Thelumox |
"scoop agnostic?" i guess that makes me a "scoop davidian." | ||
| Jmhinkle |
Hey Thunderbox. Let me make it clear the name is Jmhinkle. As in Joel M Hinkle. I don't hide behind handles or cutesy names because I have never seen the need. The problem is that you have yet to get it right in any of your failed attempts to prove me wrong. If you do it to be an arse, then you are just a plain POS. If you legitimately have a reading disorder then please type slower and proof read your work. It is very disrespectful to address someone incorrectly. I have never done that to you except once to make a point that you missed. As far as your post, you frighten me. I can't believe how wrong you see things. I'm not sure if it is a matter of you knowing the right thing, but have problems putting it in words, or you are just a plain wack-job. You come so close to being right, but once you type it out you are so far wrong it is truly scary. What ever the case may be, you believe what you want and I'll always be right. Ride on. ""Two ways to start a fight on this board: 1. Post "What oil should I use?l" 2. Post ANYTHING about the Right Side Scoop"" Can we make this a sticky on the main page?? Several people keep mentioning how the RSS is too expensive and I have better things to spend $250 on. You have to realize that the scoop is 2 things: 1)It is not $250 because it is not American. It is 169 Euros and the cheapest RSS available in Europe. To get it to America you pay 25 Euros for priority shipping and a 6 Euro Paypal fee. It is our fault the dollar is so weak now and makes it roughly $275 to buy in the States. It around $330 Aussie dollars, but he has sold several there too. You can't judge his product fairly because of shipping, Paypal fees and poor exchange rates. That is not his fault nor his products and he is not pocketing extra money because of it. Even after the exchange rate it is a better value than the Fiberglass version American Sport Bike has in my opinion. It unfortunately begins to compete with their Carbon one if you like the Carbon look. 2)Quality wise, it is not a cheap piece of plastic crap thrown together in his den by unpaid children. He put a lot of Engineering work into what material to use and getting the proper paint for it so that it functions as designed while looking exactly like a stock part. If you email the guy, he will tell you everything that went into the design and creation of it. He will answer your questions with extreme detail and will send you pictures of all 3 models. It is on it's third model thanks to help from fellow Buellers all over the world. It is an extremely refined product from an amazing Engineer who probably thinks a lot like Erik himself. Have you seen Rob's bicycles? He simply made the RSS because he was in a position to help other Buellers out with an outstanding answer to a common problem. Even Buell dealers in Europe buy them from him to install on the bikes. Let's not unjustly put it down if we have no personal experience with it. You will find there are very, very few with the RSS that claim it doesn't do its job or was not worth the money. If you are of the opinion that your Buell emits no heat or does not run excessively hot or in all accounts is absolutely flawless to you, so be it. Have fun riding it without issue. I love my Buell more than any other bike ever, but I will realistically admit that it has some issues that can be fixed and I will spend some money on aftermarket or new model year goodies making it perfect for me. | ||
| Treadmarks |
Daayyuumm. I spend one day out riding through the keys, and look what happened. Jmhinkle, Good post. Logical and calm. The way they should be. Thunderbox, Have you even tried the RSS? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that because you live in Canada, too much cold air on the rear cylinder could be bad thing, which makes your post accurate as well. (-The attitude). Due to your location, I can understand your negativity towards the RSS concept as it probably offers no advantage for you. You might want to update your profile to include a pic of your XB12X (-RSS) It's hot as hell here in Miami traffic and mine works. But then opinions are like azzholes, and everyones got one. Can't we all just get along? PS: I had a girlfriend named Thunderbox once, but thats another story.  | ||
| Pso |
Treadmarks-At this point I think the story about your ex-girlfriend may be a breath of fresh air - so to speek. | ||
| Adamd |
Hinkle has a point , errr I mean JMHinkle has a point. It CAN be said that the engine has reached a point where the temp is too high, thus the fan comes on. No need to rip his head off for that. (glass half full or empty kinda thing) Feel free to rip his head off for the oil comment though. lol Maybe he just means 50wt doesn't dissapate heat as well as 40wt? I'll trust the engineers at Buell if they say 50wt is fine to use. They know the tolerances far better than any of us. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't think anyone questions the engineering of the RSS. I would like to see the test data from the scoop manufacturer regarding actual cylinder temps, sensor function, oil cooking, air flows, etc. $275 isn't all that much for a modification. I think that most folks have a problem dropping that much cash on an undocumented and untested mod. Butt dynos and shade tree observations don't make for good engineering. It's not that good ideas don't come from the "field". It's just that there is a trial and error factored in. I just don't like the idea of "experimenting" on my bike. I know we have heard from several "annony" posters. I don't know how many are legitimate or not. Buell is a business. Erik is an innovator who thinks differently. If there were a unique solution from a fellow forward thinking innovator, don't you think Erik and CO would want to take advantage? If they could sell 50,000 scoops to XB owners tomorrow, don't you think they would want to make the money from them? There must be reasons. | ||
| Aeholton |
If they could sell 50,000 scoops to XB owners tomorrow, don't you think they would want to make the money from them? No. You would have 49,800 people that never bought an aftermarket scoop whining that it should have been on there in the first place and they don't want to have to pay extra for something that should have been on there in the first place...blah, blah, blah. I like my RSS. I don't think everyone needs one. However, here in FL it works great. If I lived in the Great White North, I probably wouldn't see a need for it. | ||
| Chris_in_tn |
A right side scoop, added from the factory could add no more than $15-20 to the cost of the bike. I can not believe it was not part of original design and testing and deemed not needed. As Ft B. stated, all sorts of anecdotal claims can be made, without hard data to prove said claims it is worthless. If you stop in your local "health food" store or vitamin shop you will read about all sorts of fantastic claims of health and longevity even larger peckers. Most all of which have been proven false, outright misrepresentations and scams. That has not slowed down any of their sales. People can be shown with actual scientific data that something does not work and or is actually harmful and they will dispute it because their aunt Millie got better with it. I'll bet if you did a study most people that are in auto accidents are wearing blue jeans. Is that a cause and affect? Data must be looked at objectively. Cooling is one of the most basic and important aspects of engine design and not easily overlooked. Things such as sensors, kick stands, etc are all things subject to miss-design or improper placement only to be discovered in the "field". If it needed it would have it. In testing they "discovered" it needed a left scoop and not a right. $250 is not a huge amount to pay for an accessory but it is for something that is unproven and not needed. Now I feel a cold coming on, I'm going to get some "Airborne" cold remedy, it kills the cold virus you know.....thats what aunt Mille says...  (Message edited by chris_in_tn on April 30, 2007) (Message edited by chris_in_tn on April 30, 2007) | ||
| Dentguy |
I love the RSS debate. It makes for some great reading, but lets please stop the whole RSS could make it run too cool thing. There are plenty of cars and bikes, past and present on the road that are air cooled. Example:VW, Porsche, BMW, Ducati and plenty more. They might not have a RSS, but they have other ways to get air to the engine for cooling. I don't remember ever hearing a manufacturer telling a owner that it is too cold outside so you cant drive it or ride it. As for the RSS like it or not it's always good reading for me. | ||
| Strokizator |
Jeez! I posted my original message as thanks to Rob Crin for a well engineered product and to help others who may be sitting on the fence decide if it's worth the price. In stop and go traffic, I expect the fan to run. But if the fan run continuously while traveling at sustained 65 mph on a 60 degree day then it's my OPINION that additional air flow is needed. The RSS cured this and I'm a satisfied customer. Sorry if I stirred up a hornet's nest. | ||
| Treadmarks |
Cooling is one of the most basic and important aspects of engine design and not easily overlooked. Things such as sensors, kick stands, etc are all things subject to miss-design or improper placement only to be discovered in the "field". If it needed it would have it.  Now that was funny! So let me get this right: They built the best fan possible for this application. High rear cylinder head temps or combustion chamber design probably have nothing to do with pinging either, cause they did such a good job designing the perfect fan-which is controlled by a sensor which was provided by the lowest cost provider...now I get it.  What was I thinking.  There I go again, and all along I thought I was jus pimpin mah ride.  | ||
| Kuuud |
Fan, Schman, I don't care if the fan runs or not. I do care if I get blisters on my right thigh!!! I use Odie's shields and they do help (some). My 9S (2003) and my 12R (2004) got warm but NEVER felt lift the Uly. I think it's even hotter after the 07 down load. This weekend it was in the 60's and I swore that I was gonna have blisters through my jeans. I'm tired of riding with my knee out in the breeze. I love my bike but there is no excuse for this much heat. It's either a scoop, jet-hot coating, or park the Uly all summer!!! I haven't made up my mind but I know i don't want to park it, and I am not looking forward to rotating the engine to r/r the pipe. Sounds like the RSS is the only logical next step!!! Bret | ||
| Chris_in_tn |
Show me the proof, data, head temps, oil temps, cylinder wear, etc.. not some anecdotal "evidence" it works and I will be the next in line to buy one. Hey, by the way I have a cream I rub on my wanker that makes it larger. If anyone interested, I am selling for $25 per tube!! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I made an underseat sheild with some aluminum shiny mylar coated bubble wrap. Mylar is on both sides of the bubble stuff. The type you buy at Home Depot in roles to insulate walls and rafters before adding the fiberglass insul. I had extra so I thought it might work and it does and it hasn't melted but sure keeps most of the head off my right inner thigh. It's tucked behind the rear brake reservoir just like Odies but I made it myself with leftover material. One thing not mentioned this time around is that Buell does their ULY testing in the "very hot" desert and has determined that no RSS is needed. Also, nobody complains that Buell gouges for their parts (they are very reasonable) but no way in Hell that Buell would gouge us 275 bucks for that plastic piece like that guy is gouging some of you for. They'd sell it for under 100 bucks. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Ft_bstrd Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 10:06 am: I don't think anyone questions the engineering of the RSS. I don't know how many are legitimate or not. Buell is a business. Erik is an innovator who thinks differently. If there were a unique solution from a fellow forward thinking innovator, don't you think Erik and CO would want to take advantage? If they could sell 50,000 scoops to XB owners tomorrow, don't you think they would want to make the money from them? There must be reasons. _______________________________________ That type thinking is is how Americans got sucked into fighting in Iraq after being attacked by a bunch of Saudis that trained in Afghanistan. The president must have reasons?? Its ok to ask questions, in some successful companies its even encouraged. The pope is supposed to be infallible, I don't think It was Buell. | ||
| Lorazepam |
As far as cost for the RSS, has anyone here priced what a mold for making that "milk jug" would cost? Injection molds are not made from clay, they are precision machined, and very expensive. Sure the plastic doesnt cost a lot, but the mold it is injected into probably costs in the neighborhood of 3k. I dont have a problem with the guy charging what he does for the scoop, he needs to make back costs for development, and pre production. I dont know if the scoop works or not, but I do know that the fan on my bike will kick on while riding be it 50 or 80 degrees out, and rarely shuts off. | ||
| Wesman |
3k for a mold would be cheap! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I'm sure glad Eric Buell didn't expect the first 500 ULY buyers to cover his development and manufacturing costs otherwise those bikes would have cost those buyers about 20 or 30 grand each or maybe even more. (Message edited by electraglider_1997 on May 01, 2007) | ||
| Brad1445 |
Electraglider_1997 I'm sure glad Eric Buell didn't expect the first 500 ULY buyers to cover his development and manufacturing costs otherwise those bikes would have cost those buyers about 20 or 30 grand each or maybe even more. ______________ We early buyers have paid in many ways. The buyer of this years model gets many improvements over last years, some I would like such as the new front springs. Next year will be better still. |
