| Author | Message | ||
     Adamd |
you'd basically just cut off the sensor and connect the wires together. But now that I think about it, it's fuel injected and not a carb, so it's true that it would probably keep running. Prob not a good idea to bypass it. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Well add me to the BAS list. Mine cut my motor as I was merging into traffic today on my evening commute. Lucky for me, I read a lot of Badweb. I cycled my kill switch and got it running again on the fly. I had the BAS recall completed last Friday and have just over 300 miles since then. WTF Buell!?!!!  | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Well as one who had some issues early on with this I'm impressed. First off they got the feedback from Buell owners from this site. Second they called all the owners and setup times to check out the bike. Then they issued the recall. The BAS is a $25-30 part. DaveS told me that they had not had any issues with the part other than the Uly. Tons better than the "what? We've never heard about that before" answer. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Yeah, you are right. It only sucks since it damn near killed me today. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't think Buell is out of the woods on the BAS issue. I think the damage to the sensor on many bikes has been done. Moving it to the new location will only reveal existing damaged sensors. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I'm hoping mine wasn't damaged. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Be ready with the kill switch. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
If your worried, pay the $30 for a new one. Or if it's caused trouble, ask for a new one. The relo is to help prevent failures. If yours has already failed ask for a new one. I'm not saying it's great that this is happening, just saying that they are doing a much better than average job of dealing with it. | ||
| Khelton |
Took mine in to have the new BAS installed, it had not come in and they have no way of knowing when it will arrive. Still doesn't seem right to have put the first batch on bikes in the showroom while leaving us to play in traffic. Love my Uly but this does concern me. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I'm not saying that I am worried or that it isn't great that this is happening, or that $30 is expensive. I am saying that it sucks and I am dissatisfied with it. I don't know that buying the same stupidass part over again will fix it. I am also saying that for the money I shelled out and the shoddy dealership experience I have to put up with, I deserve better than this. If Buell dealerships are going to suck as bad as they mostly all do, BMC should be using the resources they don't spend on customer relations to make sure problems like this simply never happen. Or, maybe I'm just yanking somebody's chain. YOU make the call. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
I don't know that buying the same stupidass part over again will fix it. Again? or for the first time? The BAS recall wasn't to replace the BAS, it was to relocate it to *prevent* failure. If yours was toasty already, then they need to replace the sensor itself. } | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The problem is that the sensor sustains damage in it's previous location. There is no way of knowing if your sensor has been damaged or not. If it isn't damaged, the relocation will prevent damage. If it's damaged already, the relocation won't prevent the BAS problem. If it's toast, it's toast. I'm just happy that BMC is working to correct the problem. If the BAS is toast from it's previous location, it isn't that big of a deal to correct. BMC has been great at correcting issues like this quickly. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Yeah...I just don't get it. I've owned a few bikes, and most manufacturers take the "ostrich" approach to problems...you know...stick their head in the sand. My BMW RT surged badly....BMW denied it. My BMW GS carboned up and the local dealer mechanic said, "About 30% do this...BMW has no fix other than rebuild the top end." My GS also blew the fuel line off the fitting and covered my leg with gas. Thank goodness it was a TSB at the time, but not a recall. Seems it should have been. My FJR1300 had valve guide issues which caused the valves to "tick" loudly. Mine wasn't bad enough to warrant a visit to the dealer, but others did. Yamaha fixed it by replacing the head, but never admitted there was a problem despite replacing the part number for the valves. They did admit it overseas, but not in the US. My KLR650 had some sort of tensioner (known as a Doohickey) fail. The stock part was never updated. The problem was so bad you had to buy an aftermarket part to solve the issue. Kawasaki still makes KLRs with the same malfunctioning part. They have never admitted it's a bad part. So...if Buell has a bad BAS and sidestand, and they fess up to it. I'm fine with that. I'll work with them to get it fixed. Buell has even gone so far as to seek replacements for the belt twice. Once in '04 and again in '06. They saw a problem and corrected it. I know some are still breaking belts, but I don't think it's happening to the masses. I never expect a bike to be perfect. They all have little flaws and issues to deal with. Once they are sorted out, things should be fine. But hey, if I have to spend $30 on a BAS every year, that's fine with me. Of course, mine hasn't failed in well over a year. | ||
| Teeps |
Khelton Posted on Wednesday, April 04 Took mine in to have the new BAS installed, it had not come in and they have no way of knowing when it will arrive. Still doesn't seem right to have put the first batch on bikes in the showroom while leaving us to play in traffic. Love my Uly but this does concern me. DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT: It's a Federal D.O.T. requirement to update unsold units first. The dealer can't sell/deliver the affected units until the recall is performed. Yea, it doesn't seem right but that's the way it is...} | ||
| Gotj |
"DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT: It's a Federal D.O.T. requirement to update unsold units first. The dealer can't sell/deliver the affected units until the recall is performed. Yea, it doesn't seem right but that's the way it is...}" Teeps, Those are two different things. I would bet you are right that the dealer can't sell/deliver a bike until the recall is performed. I doubt that the dealer is required to do the recall on all unsold units. Can you document the latter requirement? If not, then it is the dealer's option what to do with a unit; serve a customer or serve itself. | ||
| Lowflyer |
If you buy a BAS after you bought your bike, then you bought a BAS again. At least that is the way it works in Kansas. If I buy a BAS, I will have two BASes. One confirmed crappy and the other good until proven crappy. I am not really upset over it at all, but I do think the recall is incomplete. By only relocating the BAS, they are sticking their heads in the sand. Mine did not go bad until it was relocated. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
I will have two BASes. One confirmed crappy and the other good until proven crappy. Ah, got it. When I started having issues, I first suspected the BAS, called DaveS to get a new one. He suggested I was barking up the wrong tree as the BAS part # had not changed in eons and they had never sold or replaced a BAS at their dealership. His data to support the idea that this isn't a common failure. Mine was "bad" and acted up only twice in 9000 miles, the first time around 3000, and the second around 8000. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Mine went bad before 1,000 miles. The second went bad at 7,500 miles. We'll see if the third goes bad in the new location. In the defense of BAS, I have chronic flatulence and ride in a persistently hot and humid climate. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I think it's just those damn black bikes!  | ||
| Pso |
When they move the BAS-how much space do they need in the rear section? I have my aux. fuse panel back there. | ||
| Lowflyer |
They use most of the usable space behind the latch. I used to put a leatherman in a sheath back there. It no longer fits. I would post a pic, but I am too lazy. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think you will need to relocate your fuse panel unless you are ok with having to remove the BAS mounting to get to your panel. | ||
| Jmhinkle |
There is also some things involved that only people on the inside of the company will know. Take this excerpt from Chad for example: "My KLR650 had some sort of tensioner (known as a Doohickey) fail. The stock part was never updated. The problem was so bad you had to buy an aftermarket part to solve the issue. Kawasaki still makes KLRs with the same malfunctioning part. They have never admitted it's a bad part." I also had a '93 KLR650 right up until I bought the Uly last summer. I did my Doohickey right before I bought the Uly and mine was absolutely perfect. It looked brand new. The money I spent on aftermarket "upgrade" parts was a total waste to me. Maybe the part wasn't the problem but the machine welding them together and they fixed it. It really is hard to say a part is a problem unless there is a particular flaw that is failing on a serious percentage of bikes. Since Doohickey's have failed in many different ways including the spring and not the doohickey then it is hard to say the part is the problem and not the user. Also, the doohickey percentage of failures is quite low even though you hear about so many. That's the beauty of the web addressing the bad instead of the good. To say the BAS itself is a problem and should be replaced is hard to do when the failed units are such a small number and interestingly enough have happened to 1 person twice. There is so much involved such as were the failed ones built on Friday by an employee that no longer works for the supplier? Or did Fat Bastard have the same burrito plate on the day they both failed? Does anyone have numbers on how many total BAS's have failed and under what circumstances? I personally believe that both of these cases are not needing of a recall because I never had a problem with them. I've used my BAS once in proving the tight turning radius of the Uly on a gravel parking lot and it performed flawlessly. The things that should be recalled to me never will because they are consumer gripe items I guess. The stock headlight bulbs should have been recalled because they too dim and tan to be considered "light" bulbs. The '06 seat should have been recalled for the poorly designed shape that causes the seams to dig into your legs. The 616's should have been recalled for several issues. The front springs should have been a recall and replaced with the '07's for brake dive and offroad usefullness. The bike should be recalled for clutch cable routing the blocks the odometer screen, but noooo. I get a new kickstand and BAS relocation that I never had issues with. My point is that we should take comfort in the fact that Buell is attempting to fix it right away with a solution to what they believe the root cause it as where Kawasaki still never admits to a problem with the cam chain tensioner and sells plenty of KLR's every year. | ||
| Lowflyer |
The BAS must be the problem in my case because it worked fine until they moved it to the new and improved location. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Agreed completely Jmhinkle! I don't know that the BAS sensor failure is worldwide chronic. I have had two that have failed. I ride in hot humid conditions. I am larger which makes the probablility of the seat mashing on the ECM mashing on the BAS more likely. I don't know what the key is. Were I in charge, I would do exactly what they have done. Relocate the sensor and replace the BAS as they fail. As long as they supply of relocation kits and sensors is available quickly, I don't see a problem. I applaud Buell for getting on this issue! | ||
| Teeps |
Jmhinkle Posted on Friday, April 06, The things that should be recalled to me never will because they are consumer gripe items I guess. The stock headlight bulbs should have been recalled because they too dim and tan to be considered "light" bulbs. The '06 seat should have been recalled for the poorly designed shape that causes the seams to dig into your legs. The 616's should have been recalled for several issues. The front springs should have been a recall and replaced with the '07's for brake dive and offroad usefullness. The bike should be recalled for clutch cable routing the blocks the odometer screen, but noooo. Jmhinkle, No complaints here with any of the above... But please allow me to add to the list of consumer gripes: The bike should be recalled for the loud fan, and its illogical operation (fan running when bike is moving above walking pace.) | ||
| Jmhinkle |
I forgot about the whole '07 airbox issue. That should have been a recall because the '06 was just plain wrong. Smarter people than I have questioned the '06 design. I have no gripes about the fan itself. My gripe with it was when, why, and how much it ran. I have cured all of that with the correct oil weight which happens to not be 50. | ||
| Gotj |
"I have cured all of that with the correct oil weight which happens to not be 50." Jmhinkle, Would you mind refreshing us as what weight you found to be effective or a link to the thread where is was discussed? TIA | ||
| Jmhinkle |
There were a few different threads that I started to question the choice of oil in. Not personally being happy with many different 20w-50's I was quite interested in Azriders post of a UOA on 15w-40 Rotella. I brought up 5w-40 Rotella syn there but no one really bit. I kept it mostly in the local New Mexico thread where you can filter thru but here is my last post about it. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=37&post=860421#POST860421 To add to it, I just went out and put 40 miles on it around town, all different riding conditions and speeds. About 80 degrees out today. Never kicked on once until I shut it off. I'm not looking for an oil war, I just think that there is a false belief that this motor needs 50wt and that it actually causes flow and cooling issues. Most people have dropped me a pm about it and I've discussed it in more detail that way. | ||
| Lowflyer |
They should recall the rusty muffler too. |
