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Xbimmer
Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well you guys were right, got in some miles today on the new Pirellis and the Uly has been transformed!

Now I realize that having 14k on the front 616 and 7k on the rear would mark a sharp contrast with the new Syncs but it's more than that.

I had concerns that the skinnier 120 up front would quicken the steering more than I would be comfortable with, not so. It does make full-lock u-turns easier though.

Absolutely NO rain groove reaction! Freeway ride is rock steady. Can't speak to the curves since it was wet out today and I'm still scrubbing them in.

BMC did a good thing IMO switching from the Dunlops (which I had no problem with other than the rain groove thing), the bike FEELS like it wants to corner. The front took 1 oz of weight to balance and the rear took ZERO! Never seen that before.

I'm happier than a pig in poo!
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Lovehamr
Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Welcome to the "No Dunlop" club!

Steve
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Snowscum
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put my new back 616 on and it took 6 1/4's to balance. Whats up with that???
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I too changed to the Sync's and the twisties seriously rock!

No more flopping through turns, everything is super smooth.
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Chrisb
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just put syncs on this weekend. IMHO the steering speed has increased. Need to scrub for a day or two then head over to a parking lot for some figure 8 practice.

What's the 07 tire pressure recommendations?
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Littlefield
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

34 frt 36 rr
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Chrisb
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh goodness I put in 36 & 38. What ever shall I do?
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh goodness I put in 36 & 38. What ever shall I do?

Ride the piss out of it.
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Paochow
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh goodness I put in 36 & 38. What ever shall I do?

Guess you need to scrap those tires and buy new ones. You can send me those overinflated skins to me for disposal.}
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was the Ulysses the only bike with the 130 front last year or did all bikes drop to the 120 this year?
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Chrisb
Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 06:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok,

I'll send them to you, just pay the shipping. My shipping calculator claims its going to be around $125 a tire.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And the stokedness continues.

Headed out into the rain today to check out the effectiveness of the "silica compound" of the Syncs in the wet. The lack of siping/grooves compared with the 616's had me a little concerned regarding water displacement.

Geez am I impressed. Riding in rain always ratchets up the caution level, and after about 30 mi city/fwy it became evident to me that I could shift more of my attention from my tires to everything else. They behaved beautifully. After a while I got cocky and tried a couple (non-traffic) hard stops, complete non-eventful stops, even with a (still) shuddering front rotor!

This is in my memory the BEST set of tires I have ever used on any of my bikes over the years, even better a transformation than the ContiTwins I put on my Honda 750F back in '76.
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Xbimmer, what did you mean by "I had concerns that the skinnier 120 up front would quicken the steering more than I would be comfortable with, not so. It does make full-lock u-turns easier though." My Dunlop is a 120. Buell didn't change tire sizes just types of tires used. I'm perplexed by your statement and would like clarification. Thanks.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jmhinkle, the Syncs seem (to me) to be a little narrower than the 616's even though they're the same "size". Happens all the time with tires, one make of 120 may not measure the same as another brand.

Could be the tread profile, maybe they're a little taller, maybe it's just me!

The Syncs also have a tread that wraps waaay down to a very narrow sidewall, with my style of riding I think I'm gonna have some serious chicken strips on these tires.
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Geez am I impressed. Riding in rain always ratchets up the caution level, and after about 30 mi city/fwy it became evident to me that I could shift more of my attention from my tires to everything else. They behaved beautifully. After a while I got cocky and tried a couple (non-traffic) hard stops, complete non-eventful stops, even with a (still) shuddering front rotor!

This is in my memory the BEST set of tires I have ever used on any of my bikes over the years, even better a transformation than the ContiTwins I put on my Honda 750F back in '76.)



That's what I've been telling everybody!
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Xbimmer
Posted on Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And you were right, Etennuly!
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see what your saying now. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Something else for me to consider when it's time for tires.
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Windrider
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to chime in here: I love the Pirelli Syncs! They have improved every aspect of the Uly in my riding. I like them better in the rain, in the twisties, in any kind of uneven pavement that used to grab the Dunlops.

What really surprised me though was how I like them on dirt roads. The Dunlops look like they would grab a lot better in the loose stuff and the profile of the front 616 vs the Sync is quite different. It looks like the 616 would put a lot more surface area down and hold a line better in the loose stuff.

In my experience thought the Syncs feel more solid and give me a lot more confidence in the sand and DCG roads that I ride on a daily basis. I also feel like I can put the bike exactly where I want it with the Syncs.

Debuller (who rides more dirt and rides MUCH faster than me) has a different take though and still prefers the 616s.

Maybe it has as much to do with rider speed and skill but I love the Syncs and they seem to be wearing just as well as the Dunlops. I will put the Syncs on again.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup - Much prefer the syncs. Fixed my front end the day I fitted them too. Don't last me nearly as long as the Dunlops.

like it seemed the case with every journo that tested the bike early on - i had one of the worst effected bikes for the wiggle.

but just great when you can enjoy the bike fully isn't it.
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Debueller
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going to chime in here also.

Windrider is right, I do prefer the 616's

I did notice the slight "swimming" of the front end at first. Now I'm hard pressed to feel it even if I try. I'm probablly used to it. The bulk of my experence comes from years of riding dirt and dual sport bikes with knobbies, which feel horrible on the pavement. The Uly is the only "modern" sport oriented motorcycle I've owned. I probablly don't know any better.

I did wear out a set of sync's last July.(I did a lot of interstate miles that month). They did feel very good. I spent most of that set of tires on pavement and did not get a chance to really try them in the dirt.

I will say that if the 616's ever become unavailable, the Sync's would surely be my next choice. But they cost a little more (about $30 a set) and seemed to wear about the same. I didn't feel the extra cost gained me anything. It's just me and a few others that are the "black sheep"

(Message edited by debueller on December 20, 2006)
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Michael1
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 616's are growing on me. I really like them. They've performed above and beyond so far. I've tried to thrash them in the cold and snow and salt and they come back for more. The front end wobble was discerning at first, but now, I am used to it. It's worse if I ride my SV (set up for the track) and then the Uly. So far I have over 3k miles on the tires and they don't seem to be wearing anytime quick. And I am not light on the throttle hand as well... I am sure I oculd extend these tires another 3k miles plus!


...but all in all... the Dunlops are the first set of Dunlops that I actually like. I'll keep running 'em as long as Dunlop make's 'em. The recent ads in the mags so Dunlop advetising them on a Tuono.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>I did notice the slight "swimming" of the front end at first. Now I'm hard pressed to feel it <<

It was quite invasive on mine. It made the ride on the freeway quite horrible. It felt like it wouldn't go in a straight line without correction.
It really pissed me off.
I still quite like the Dunlop on the rear but wouldn't risk that on effect on the front again.

Still struggle to know why it only effects some bikes. Tried everything - settings, pressures, raised and lowered forks, tightened steering head - only thing that fixed it was Dr Pirelli. Instantly.

dd

(Message edited by danger_dave on December 20, 2006)
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Bobbuell1961
Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my bike was great for aprox the first 5k,then the swimming began,always at high speed(85+}no set pattern. played w/all the settings to no avail.bought a stablizer, helped,buut did not fix problem. about 7500 mi replaced tires w/pirrli syncs,again helped, but again not a fix.
i had been keeping an eye on the front isolator for a while as it was looking like it was going to rip.i then compaired it to a new bike and discovered that the isolator had dropped (no more than a 1/4") replaced the isolator aprox 2k ago(under warr) and i have not experanced any swimming since. i belive buell has superseded the part# several times since intoduction. this has been my experaince w/the bike and i hope it helps. i love my buell and it,s going to be around for a long time!
Bob
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Strato9r
Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those syncs are great. I wasn't all that impressed with the original Dunlops on my 9r; they were ok on really clean, smooth pavement, but seemed kind of fussy on broken or nasty pavement. Even less impressive was the fact I barely got 4000 km out of the pair, just breaking the bike in. Threw on a pair of syncs, it was like night and day. The bike holds a line better, doesn't seem to want to stand up while trail braking as bad, and is a dream on wet or crappy roads. The perfect tire for less than perfect conditions. And, as a bonus, I'm getting about 7500km out of a pair.}}
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