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Lowflyer
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 02:58 pm: | 
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Well, I'm somewhat of a minimalist when it comes to accessories myself. I don't really like the branding or any of that shit either so I even de-badged my bike. I have only heated grips, a deluxe tank bag, and a CB +2.5 for bike accessories. I don't give a shit why Erik and Co. built it, but I suspect it was so that they could sell enough of them to clear a small profit. Nevertheless, it's mine now.
I might go for a larger screen for winter ops, but it's going to have to be one that won't break or fall off under a load. This one appears to me to have exactly the same design flaws as other large-screen designs I have seen for the Uly. That is, it uses the existing mounting configuration. The four existing attaching points are not placed optimally for such a large windscreen with such a critical angle of attack.
I could be wrong, but I was right about the big CBs and the Buell Tall windscreens.  |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 03:03 pm: |
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Gamdh,
While you are doing pics, could you tape some 2.5-inch pieces of yarn all over your helmet and snap a picture of your melon behind that shield at 70 mph?
Thanks,
Lowflyer
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Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 03:39 pm: |
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This works great for me. My modified CB 16. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/213105.html |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 09:34 pm: |
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Javadog
I simply put the tape measure on the top of the fly screen.. I think they are measuring the actual height of the screen top to bottom.
I'm 6'2" with about a 32" inseam.
As for more pics.. I don't have that screen on the bike right now.. I'm testing the tallest one for Charly now. If/when I get the short one back on I'll make sure to snap a pic. I would have done it before, but when I was doing the pics I was the only one home.
Ft_bstrd ... wait until you see the tallest one! I know someone that is an artist.. maybe I can have one painted like that 
Lowflyer
I've ridden with the shorter one up to about 90ish.... so far so good. Charly is aware of the potential issues with the mounting points.. we are keeping a careful eye on them. He also has a few ideas to address them, but we will have to see what happens. Also keep in mind.. the the material Charly uses is much higher quality than the cee baily.
As for the special pics.. I tried that but as you know the Black Ulys are so fast that the yarn just keep flying off... |
Ray_r
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
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Why mount the aftermarket shield to the stock flyscreen? Why not make a tall shield that replaces the flyscreen/shield assembly and uses the stock mounting points? |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:31 am: |
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"Why not make a tall shield that replaces the flyscreen/shield assembly and uses the stock mounting points?"
CB did that and I think a number of them cracked and/or broke after some use at highway speeds. Vibes and wind loading combined to break them off right at the top of the fly screen in at least one occasion. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:35 am: |
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Nothing worse than having your oversized 18 inch smoke gray windscreen stuck in your neck at 82 mph when it's 38 degrees outside!
'Cept maybe the chair scene out of the new Bond movie! |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 08:53 am: |
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So, I gave Charly a link to this thread ...
His comments..
"...tell the guys we can make them as low as they want--we can make them narrower too--parabellum recognises there's an aesthetic element to all this and if we don't serve...we don't get paid!"
So, if you want him to do something different.. contact him! |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 09:00 am: |
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"Nothing worse than having your oversized 18 inch smoke gray windscreen stuck in your neck at 82 mph when it's 38 degrees outside!"
Okay, I have to say that it would be worse at 27 degrees and 85 mph just for argument sake.  |
Bienhoabob
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 09:01 am: |
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This is me coming into the first checkpoint during a long distant event. Notice what's left of the CeeBaileys 16". Bolts are all intact. A nice jagged edge was all that was left after it split in two. (Didn't hit anything either, pure wind load.)
I like the slope of this new shield, but I'd like to see a support system for the upper portion.
Once bitten, twice shy is my motto now.
A "fix" would be, (as previously suggested) a mounted fairing. The factory must have some S3T fairings laying around as a starting point. Maybe it doesn't belong on a Uly, but maybe on a Long, or on a new sport touring model.
Sport touring competition may be too much for Buell with the BMW RT, Honda ST, Ducati ST, the new Kawa. "Connie", Yamaha FJR, etc.
But what do I know. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 09:05 am: |
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Well, at least it didn't stay stuck in your neck. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 09:39 am: |
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Just add the Slipstreamer handlebar mounting rods and then no worries. A pair of them cost about $36. Here's a few pictures of how they mount. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/220984.html#POST724231
They work great and I have had zero problems. Handlebar mounting is the way to go. It brings the shield closer to you and thereby works better. Drilling through these plastic windshields is very easy and if you have to modify by bending then do it with a heat gun.
(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on November 20, 2006) |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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Electraglider_1997 .. Charly @Parabellum has actually done this on a few wind shields in the past.... the problem was no one wanted to buy them set up that way (in his words the market hated it).
I'm dropping my bike off again tonight. I think he is going to work on some sort of additional support for the windshield.. something he already had in mind but wanted to wait until he saw how the wind shield did in real world conditions. |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 01:37 pm: |
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Yes, I've noticed that from some of the comments about my windshield setup when I first posted the photos months ago. All I can say is that the looks quickly grow on you after you ride behind it and notice how well it keeps the ear defining roar of turbulence off your head. I wouldn't have it any other way. To each his own though. |
Ray_r
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 02:12 pm: |
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Ok...then use the stock mounting points of the flyscreen for lower support and add some supports struts for the upper portion.
I just think having both windscreens mounted looks a little hokey. I also think the same thing about the stock setup. I'd like to see a single screen, with cutouts if necessary to control turbulence, buffeting, etc. |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 02:27 pm: |
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Ray..... pretty thats what he's going to be looking at doing. |
Javadog
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 05:53 pm: |
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What is the advantage of the space between the flyscreen and the PB windshield? I'm sure it makes more wind noise.Why not have a single nose-cone like piece of acrylic? |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 06:07 pm: |
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Ray,
My screen is closer to me than if mounted to the stock fairing mounting points. It does make a difference. The further away from your windshield that you are the more air turbulence you end up dealing with. That's why if you stick your face up right behind your windshield it is the quietest spot and the further back you get the louder the turbulence. Mine is set up where my head is in a pretty quiet area. I've done quite a bit of experimenting to come to this setup. |
Dickc
| | Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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Maybe some manual adjustment like this Windbender windshield for Goldwings would be nice... 3" of adjustment.
http://www.firecreekacc.com/wind_bender.html
Dickc |
Dickc
| | Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 11:08 am: |
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Here is another view of this Windbender adjustable windshield:
http://www.pbase.com/fredharmon/image/2838768
Dickc |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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So, I now have some pics and measurements with the Parabellum 28" screen.
All measurements are taken from the following starting point
Screen Height is about 26.75 inches
My eye level is about 30.5 inches. (I'm 6'2")
I have about 200 miles with this screen. I get some wind noise but not to bad and the turbulence is minimal. I do have air hitting me about eye level, so it does not clear my head. I do get very good wind protection on my torso.. rode about 100 miles today .. 35 degrees when I left and was very comfortable behind the screen. The screen if pretty stable, but I did voice my concern to Charly about the long term affects of all that plastic cantalevered (sp?)above the mounting points. He is considering some kind of strut type support.. but not sure how the 'market' feels about that? |
Fubar
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 06:55 pm: |
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Speaking for "the market"... I would *only* buy a shield that big with secondary supports. |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 07:05 pm: |
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Fubar.... contact Charly and tell him that!!! It makes a difference! |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 07:05 pm: |
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Speaking for "the market"... I would *only* buy a shield that big with secondary supports.
Yep unless you like the thought of riding behind one of these:
(Message edited by ft_bstrd on December 10, 2006) |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 09:19 pm: |
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Yes, that shield looks like a very nice projectile. If you are lucky, it will hit you in the chest when it flies off at 80 mph. |
Ray_r
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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Tell Charlie that Ray says to put a curved lip on the top to deflect the wind over your head, and add two (handlebar?) mounted struts to keep it stable. Then change the lower mounts so it replaces the flyscreen instead of mounting over the top of it.
Btw...I'm sure he has no idea who Ray is.  |
Az_m2
| | Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Damn, that's a serious windscreen. |
Milo_h
| | Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 06:46 pm: |
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Gamdh, I want to thank you for taking the time and effort to post this info on the Parabellum windshield. It is a big help.
Thanks again.
Peace
Milo |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 08:41 pm: |
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Milo.. no problem. Oh by the way.. I did respond to you directly in email, but it eventually bounced??? |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 - 08:44 pm: |
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Also forgot to mention... I wear ear plugs all the time.. so when I say wind noise isn't bad that is with the ear plugs in... haven't tried it without them. |
Gamdh
| | Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 08:26 pm: |
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Just a quick update. I now have about 1,500 (maybe a bit more) miles with the 'big' screen So far so good.. no issues as yet. The screen does what I want. .it keeps the majority of the cold wind off of me. I ride to work 38 miles one way.. back roads.. so I can ride 55-65 more or less and then the weekend 'fun' rides. I have not had to do any kind of sustained high speed interstate riding, so can't really comment on riding down the road at 80+ for hours on end. I have had the screen up to higher speeds for short bursts with no problems yet.
This screen definitely buffets much less than the Cee Baily 16 inch. Given that the Cee Baily flipped up at the top and this one does not ... seems to keep the airflow much smoother.. pretty sure it also puts less stress on the windshield (??).
Mike |
