| Author | Message | ||
     Barker |
True Isham, But buell newer bikes (12x, 9sx, 12Ss) just seems to be repackaging the XB buell platform if they were trying to compete with motards. The pix I posted would not be to far off. I have been wanting a light twin motard for years. I have always wanted a Buell single motard. A XB6SM  | ||
| M2nc |
Now you are talking. I've said the same thing. A nice complement of the Uly would be a light weight single "lil" Uly. Like the FS & GS in the BMW line up. Something with maybe a 600cc Blast engine variant with somewhere in the 50hp range. That would hit right at the KLR, FS, XR DS market. Then make both the Dual Sport and Motard versions of the new platform. | ||
| Jiffy |
If they release a bike that is just repackaged they will have a flop. Motards are supposed to be light and nimble. | ||
| Birdmanrh |
Well, If it is called a XB12STT, that would be an X design....meaning frame and swingarm are the same with the Trilogy of Tech. 12....1203 engine S...stretch ala, long design TT....Tourist Trophy? Which to me sounds as if it is a full fairing kind of bike, not a Super Motard. | ||
| Barker |
XB12STT Thats to many letters! Im calling a BS on the name. It's just going to be a XB12SX released if anything. Or a prototype bike like the Harley did. ( XR1200 that was announced at another euro press conference.) | ||
| Lllbmanlll |
It'd be nice if it looked something like this:  ,  .  ,  | ||
| Jaimec |
That underseat exhaust is definitely contrary to the Trilogy of Tech credo... | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
But getting rid of that under engine muffler would allow the bike to drop 3 inches without losing any of the clearance we've come to expect. I'll take the under seat muffs anyday. | ||
| Jaimec |
Obviously you didn't read Erik's explanation in a recent issue of Fuell. The engine HAS to be as high as it is to enable the 55 degree lean angle. Lowering the engine reduces the lean angle (because it's so wide at the base). With the engine up as high as it is, there just happened to be space underneath for the muffler. | ||
| Brad1445 |
I would use that space for off road. It takes a beating on rocks, seems to take it ok but effects the handling like your high centered often. | ||
| Javadog |
I would make a compact 2 into 1 header pipe that could be hidden from view running back to the underseat muffler. That exposed bronze steampipe just looks wrong. It would be sleek as a missile without it.  | ||
| Treadmarks |
Remember, it would be tough to use an underseat exhaust, as the exhaust system moves with the engine. I am sure there is a way though, as cars are the same way. I would much rather see a v-twin tard with 100 horsepower, over a 600-700cc single with 50 hp. Just keep it under 400 lbs and it would be great for us hooligans | ||
| Naustin |
I'm praying Birdmanrh is on to something. TT = Tourist Trophy Especially in the euro market, a S3T replacement Uly based sport tourer with good wind protection would sell the pants off an overgrown, overweight wannabe motard. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
OK, keep the engine height for the lean angle but that bike above sure looks better than the under muffed ULY. Mufflers can be made very light these days. You'll notice that the ULY's 10 or 12 lb battery is set pretty darn high in the frame. And Erik sure doesn't seem to mind perching our bodies very high on the bike. Shouldn't the rider be factored into the trilogy a little better? He and his engineering team have done a fine job of it but that huge muffler needs work. I'd rather the bike had a center stand under the engine than the muffler. Believe me, there is always room for improvement. For instance, we live with the below average steering lock but that should have been factored into the design of this bike before the XB series ever saw the light of day. Just how is it that my 700lb Electraglide has a tighter turning radius than my ULY. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I love the ULY, but it could have been better. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Good post EG.. Somewhere between those that think God Created The Buell and those that want to change every single thing about it lies a pragmatic reality of continuess improvement and refined market focus. Any thought of a competitive XB based Motard is asinine. Lowering the Ulysses closer to the ground and not wanting to improve ground clearance is also a compromise of diloution of that bikes purpose also. If you need it close to the ground get Lightning. Buell has an excellent entry into the dual purpose segment, and it can become the king with further development and improvement and changes toward that market. i.e. better rims, ground clearance etc. A motard is too big of a stretch for that XB frame and would not be successful for similar reasons. (Message edited by brad1445 on November 13, 2006) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I would think that the motard, particularly a Buell motard, would be such a slim segment of the market that the numbers for distribution would just be too low. I think the Uly is as close to a "Big Motard" as we are going to see. A smaller motard could be in the works, but again, folks shopping for a motard are usually looking for a smaller displacement dirtbike derivative. I think weight will be the biggest problem. Can an Buell produce a bike with the same characteristics as a 450SM? I have been very wrong before. I think the market could bear a fully faired XB12SS based touring variant (modified Uly tail/bags, long swing arm, larger frame/higher fuel capacity, more wind protection). Speculation is fun!!!! | ||
| Gtmg |
When I saw the TT designation, the first think I though was touring. | ||
| Court |
What if it had NOTHING to do with the Uly?  | ||
| Jlnance |
Ok, it's Monday. Where is the info?  | ||
| Chellem |
The info will be released onto Buell.com tomorrow, according to the memo we got today. It is a XB12STT, and it is being released in Italy TODAY. Or maybe tomorrow which is really today? Or today is really tomorrow there. I'm not sure. But the truth will be out tomorrow. Or maybe a bit earlier here. If only I could figure out time-zones. | ||
| Jlnance |
Its already tonight in Europe | ||
| Chellem |
When is it tomorrow? | ||
| Naustin |
xb12(ST)T Sport Touring - Tall xb12S(tt) Lighting (twin touring)? .....................(totally touring) .....................(touring tenaciously) nick | ||
| Chellem |
I'm pretty sure the "S" is for Super. Is there some sort of US Version of SuperMotard called US TT? | ||
| Anonymous |
Is there some sort of US Version of SuperMotard called US TT? I take it you've never been to Peoria? | ||
| Chellem |
Actually, no I haven't. Thanks for asking though - Anony. . . Jeez, posting as Anonymous, you'd think you'd give a bit more info about it. :P | ||
| Isaac |
Holy crap..... its already 22 pm in Europe and I still cant find anything about the bloody STT...... where the hell are those freaks that put everything on the net right the minute after its released??? | ||
| Gtmg |
Court, I don't think any of us think it is about a Uly. We are making a large assumption that is about the XB series though. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The only reason the Uly keeps getting brought up is that it's the only one with hard bag capabilities. Beyond that, the Uly has no magic. | ||
| Ray_r |
Here's a photo....  Supposed to be a "Super TT".....whatever that is. A lightning with taller suspension? (Message edited by Ray_R on November 13, 2006) |
