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Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 06:37 pm: | 
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>>>>Going in and demanding a price and threating to walk
This could be interesting. I'm inclined to do one of those "social science" type experiments . . . I'll go in and threaten Michelle, "Chellem" you dudes.
I have a rough idea of how things would go down.
First her hub would clean my clock, then the mutant would stomp my sorry ass, he Dad would clock me, I'd get home and my wife, who thinks Michelle is tops, would finish me off.
In addition, I'd be stuck looking for a "normal" dealer . . . yeah, one that didn't bring rock bands to town and throw shindigs.
I'd be forced to buy my own Mexican food...BBQ.....etc.
I'd be cut off from the world's largest cache of Buell patches. . I mean the very cool BIG ones.
The sun would dim and if I wanted to ride a motorcycle I'd have to walk to a Hodaka dealer in South Dakota.
The idea of being a shrewd dealer is cool....being unkind....well, is kind of rude.
Court
I could ride a Hodaka for a bit, but man I'd miss that food! |
Fubar
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 07:27 pm: |
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I'm not sure I could live with the Hodaka...
Had a bitchin' 80 c.c. in the 70's that blew a head gasket (at 2 am) because I dared to go over 55 mph.
I suggest the kindness approach. |
Ka5ysy
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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Court:
I had a Hodaka Super Rat once upon a time, a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away called Albuquerque! Spent many a grand afternoon out in the east side of Sandia Mountain! Loved the Toaster gas tank!
Boixb12:
Quoting You:
"It seems to me that Harley Davidson dealerships are making more than a FAIR profit and it shows by their overhead and arrogance of salesmen. But then again, I live in Idafornia"
I respectfully disagree with your statement.
Several points here.
First, precisely who is going to determine "fair profit"? The government? some committee of local politicians? You?. I respectfully suggest you move to Cuba or any other communist/socialist country where price controls are the norm. You will end up with no products to buy because nobody will invest THEIR money in building a business to make NO return on their investment and hard work.
That return on investment happens to be called PROFIT, which any decent businessman can figure out. Those who don't or can't do that end up in my office filing bankruptcy petitions.
Overhead is the cost of doing business, and all businesses watch that closely or go out of business as quickly and those who make no net profit.
"Arrogance of salesmen". Most I know are pretty decent people trying to make a commission which you probably don't understand any more than the basic economics of business. They cannot make a commission by selling product at cost, any more than the dealership can.
Remember that the classic definition of market price is that sum of money which a willing buyer and willing seller agree to exchange value. There are obviously a lot of people on this list that have no problem with the price of a Buell, because even at MSRP the price is reasonable and a fair value to the customer. Besides, the customer support by the factory is unmatched by anybody that I am aware of. If you don't believe it, go look at the BMW guys griping about customer support, or most other manufacturers too for that matter.
There is actually a very simple solution to your situation: don't buy the product as you are an unwilling buyer, or wait for the market on used bikes to meet your price point.
Just do not badmouth people trying to make a living, or the dealers who have signed personal guarantees on huge mortgage documents to build those nice HD facilities you seem to be complaining about as excessive overhead.
Doug
(Message edited by ka5ysy on August 16, 2006) |
Texasmotoman
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:36 pm: |
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Well... thats quite a bit info, thanks and I'll let y'all know how I make out!
Dave, I am sending you an email. |
Boixb12
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:44 pm: |
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Hey Doug,
How's that black and orange Kool Aid tastin'? Who did I badmouth? I made an observation and so far it's 100% accurate -- the salesmen I have dealt with are arrogant (they could be attorneys), and I NEVER mentioned selling at cost. I'm just not paying MSRP. $700 setup fees are ridiculous and gouge the customer, that's beyond reasonable. Don't lecture me on economics and business. Save that for the wonderful airline CEOs I work for, but then again they were probably attorneys too. |
Stretch67
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:57 pm: |
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Daves, Court, Chellem
I know it takes a while to uncrate and set up a new bike, and there's a freight charge as well, which depends on the location.
What is a reasonable amount for a dealer to charge for setup fees?
I've read of more than a thousand bucks for setup and freight, which seems kind of steep to my untrained ears.
Your thoughts? |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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I never threaten to walk, I just walk unless they are willing to negotiate. If not then why bend over. Nothing nasty about telling them what you are willing to pay and sticking to your guns. If you ask them what price they can give you they will most likely not give you their lowest price. Some people are very uncomfortable haggling. I'm not. I certainly don't always get my way and but at least I won't be kicking myself for not trying to get that lowest price. |
Daves
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:27 am: |
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Texasmotoman,
You have mail! |
Theloftus
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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Bought mine in Va Beach Va .. SouthSide HD/Buell 12k otd and a great trade in...plus 15% off all buell parts any time.
Mother always said "you can get more flies with honey than you can vinegar" .. and it's just a bike.. It's a luxury not a need like air and porn. |
Ka5ysy
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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"Save that for the wonderful airline CEOs I work for, but then again they were probably attorneys too."
NOW I understand the problem; Transference issues! Nothing at all to do with bikes. 
Coincidentally, I do not own a Harley product, so no cool-aid issues at all. You are, hopefully, aware of what the word "Assume" does? |
Theloftus
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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buell is not a harley product? |
Electraglider_1997
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Buell is wholly owned by Harley Davidson Corporation. Get over it. They are a great American company. |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |
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>>>Buell is wholly owned by Harley Davidson Corporation. Get over it. They are a great American company.
That's right.
And Harley ain't bad either.
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Snub13
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Boixb12 (and anyone else on the fence)
Have you spoken to any other dealers in your area? If they all have about the same freight/set-up fee, then that's what the price is.
Go through Daves, it'll be a nice break-in ride home! And you get to deal with a true Buell advocate and stand-up guy! Stop off at the factory for a tour on the way home.
Pay the money! What ever you spend will be forgotten within the first fifty miles! This is a great bike and you are cheating yourself by not getting one!
(Message edited by snub13 on August 17, 2006) |
Theloftus
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 01:23 pm: |
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for the record .. i did know that buell is owned by harley... |
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