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     Thesmaz |
What ever happened with the issue/request and thread? http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142838/207208.html?1152513200 It seemed to me that there were plenty of people willing to pay for an "improved" map for a stock bike, including myself. Is there no one willing to schedule the dyno time or is it a money issue? Al Lighton, or any other dealer/tuner with the software and dyno: how many purchasers does it take for you to recoup the cost of dynoing and making a map for a stock bike? Would you be willing to take deposits to guarantee a minimum number of sales? I'm sure that some of the lightining/firebolt crowd would be willing to buy an improved map for a completely stock bike as well. Someone, Anyone, PLEASE don't let the issue die and fade away. I'd be willing to be the man on point but since I'm in Europe I really can't do it. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I think I've answered this before...I don't have any evidence at all that remapping would fix anything. I think the problems SOME people are having are in closed loop, and the map isn't directly in play at that point. In the closed loop domain, and in particular, the AFV learn mode domain that is a subset of the closed loop domain, it is critical that the map is tuned to 14.7:1. Otherwise, the AFV setting algorithms will cause the AFV to skew lean. It is the way this ECM works. So we can't richen the map in the areas that some people are having problems, and the map is already suitably rich in the areas where people aren't having problems. If a bike isn't running right, look to the sensors, or possibly the injectors. The ECMs are generally pretty reliable, and they are identical from bike to bike (within same year/engine size, anyway). If I had a bike that had the issues that people have described, I'd replace the head temp and O2 sensor to see if it changed anything. | ||
| Teeps |
"SHOW ROOM STOCK ULYSSES -ONLY-" I started that thread to get a head count going. But people had to add their anecdotes and comments about race kits and such that the original intent gets lost. Counting myself, there are 12 on that thread that would like a surge free (or at least reduced) Ulysses. The last time I spoke to Al about this, he was not aware of the problem. His Ulysses does not have the surge, but it's heavily modified, so doesn't count. "SHOW ROOM STOCK ULYSSES -ONLY-" I tried to describe the symptom over the phone to him. What is needed is someone with the surge, to ride their bike to Vista and show Al the problem in person. If nothing else happens with map interest I'm serioulsy considering a Dobeck TFI unit to see what happens. The people at Dobeck told me (over the phone) that if I purchased a TFI from them direct. I could return it in 30 days if not happy with the performance. They did not offer that guarantee in writing. "SHOW ROOM STOCK ULYSSES -ONLY-" | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
I agree with Al, even on the Buell Race Kit the Buell Guy's got it pretty close. I think any changes that were made on the stock configurations would be due more to differences in the air density in my Dyno Room and where you are operating your bike. But to answer your question, it takes a couple of hours to get the basic map done, but to come back and verify the "Closed Loop" and it's transitions will not cause AFV off-set can take a while longer. Notes on Vallejo Performance Services - H-D Buell of Vallejo Basic Dyno Charges: To do an H-D TC88 Advanced USB Power Commander Map, with True Duals (F&R Cyl) cost $350 and can take from 2-3 hours. We charge $ 325 to tune PCs on a Buell and it takes 3-4 hours. So Far using D/L if we have a good MAP to start with, I can down load it into the ECM, reset the AFV, Zero the T/P sensor and give you a WOT Run showing the HP,TQ, and A/F ratio. I charge a $100 + the D/L key cost for that it and it takes about an hour. I am still in the process of recovering the map development cost and will get there by the end of the year. Each new configuration we develop sets us back but provides another opportunity to sell a map. All the MAPs I develop and sell in the shop are installed and run by me and forwarded to AL at American Sport Bike for sale. ... Al works to get "Beta" customers for each new map so we can watch the AFV following installation. VPS is a new company and D/L map development is just one of it's task. So it is on Sat, Sun, and Mon that I find time to run Buells. Today it XB9 Basic Drummer Time. ... Terry PS Teeps I just saw your last post. There are several things that can be cusing your and others surge. First of all as a F/I Buell rider for the last several years, I have observed that these bikes run lean in closed loop. So the transisions between O/L and C/L and something you learn to live with. But I agree going down the road at a steady T/P the bike should not surge. A basic cause not associated with the map is Static Timing, T/P Zero and AFV reset. If you were to have the these checked and then ride the bike down the road in closed loop until it starts to surge then go back and re-check the AFV. Based on what you see look for causes. None of the Buells we sell have ever had an issue we could not find the cause of. I do beleve you and what your saying, but installing a new D/L Stock Map in a bike with a fault of some kind is not the answer. ... Hope this helps. ... Terry (Message edited by buelldyno_guy on July 10, 2006) | ||
| Teeps |
Thanks Terry. I guess I could always mount a down draft carburetor and an aftermarket ignition on the beast...  | ||
| Thesmaz |
Al, Buelldyno guy, Thanks for the replies; I must've missed or over looked your post. If I were to buy the software required to do my own TPS resets does it also have the capability to reset the AFV? How much storage space is required to load the software to a Palm/iPaq? Would I be able to load the software to my laptop and iPaq with the purchase of a single copy of the software? My problem isn't so much as a surge as it is a jerky on/off transition in low gears at low speeds, which I think could be corrected. I'm in Europe and only run 98 RON gas in the bike and tend to ride it hard  . I'd like to add the race air filter and modify the airbox a bit but I haven't done it yet because I'd like to be able to do the resets after making modifications. Thanks again for you input and hard work in making our Buell's kick azz!  | ||
| Teeps |
Thesmaz Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 If I were to buy the software required to do my own TPS resets does it also have the capability to reset the AFV? Yes. How much storage space is required to load the software to a Palm/iPaq? Sorry, I don't know the answer to that question. Would I be able to load the software to my laptop and iPaq with the purchase of a single copy of the software? The software download is free. The folks that have provided this software use a hardware solution to protect their software. You must have the VDSTS dongle for it to work. |
