| Author | Message | ||
     44mag |
Does anybody have an opinion on the "Vehicle Diagnostic Scan Tool for Windows" from American sportbike? It looks like it might be useful. | ||
| Davo |
That is the software I was referring to in the "pinging" post. You will need to purchase a adapter if your computer does not have a serial port. American Sportbike has the adapter also. The software is great! The tech advice and service is better than great! (Message edited by davo on April 29, 2006) | ||
| Aeholton |
Worth the price for TPS resetting alone. | ||
| Brat |
Is this the factory software? | ||
| Davo |
It is made by TechnoResearch. There is a link below for wholesale manufacturer but you can order it from American Sportbike. http://www.technoresearch.com/Products/VDSTS(Motorbike)/VDSTS-Motorbike.htm (Message edited by davo on April 30, 2006) | ||
| Lovematt |
I have this software and it worked great when I did a TPS reset. The bike has never run as well as it does now and it starts so much easier now. I was having problems with the idle jumping all over the place and hot starting...did it myself and all of that went away completely. Well worth the money and got it in a few days from American Sport Bike. Make sure it will work with the ULY...it is kind of a new model and they may not have figured out that year/model yet. (Message edited by lovematt on April 30, 2006) | ||
| Brat |
How's it different from the factory stuff (apologies if I seem obsessed!) | ||
| Al_lighton |
It will work fine with a Uly. The Uly ECM is not any different than the other 06 XB12 ECMs. The factory tool is the Digital Technician. You can't get one, it's for dealers only. VDSTS does most of the stuff that the Digital Tech does, but there's two things the digital tech does that VDSTS doesn't do yet: Static timing check, and display of current AFV. Both will be added soon and existing owners will be able to download the updated code. http://www.americansportbike.com/shop/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=51F5895557&rnd=8865 119&rrc=N&affl=&cip=69.160.135.44&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=9305&cat=&catstr= Al | ||
| Lovematt |
Wow...I didn't know that about the check of Static Timing and the AFV possibly being added to the software...that would be cool! | ||
| Thunderbox |
So for $200 you get a disc with the program and the cable? Is that about right? | ||
| Jackbequick |
Davo posted a link above with more info, here it is again. Al Lighton of American Sport Bike is the resident guru on it but as I understand it the cable is a "dongle" and you can't use the software without it. And it reads a I.D. number or something like that off of the first ECM it reads and can only be used with that ECM from that point on. Jack | ||
| Thunderbox |
Wow that means someone else can't even do a TPS reset. HMMMMM. | ||
| Lorazepam |
Jack, the software with the dongle is the more expensive remapping software. You can use the VDSTS on any bike. that disk is worth 200 bucks if you want to do your own tps reset and check fault codes, etc. | ||
| John88030 |
Just a quick comment, my ULY threw a code that VDSTS didn't recognize. I manually extracted the code and it turned out to be 21. That's for the active exhaust and brake light and horn. Turned out to be a blown fuse. I called TehcnoResearch and they will have an update probably on their site today. Excellent service and excellent help. I will not take an extended ride with this software and my palm. John | ||
| Davo |
John88030, My bike threw a 21 also. I replaced the exhaust actuator. Prior to that I was having engine light issues and the bike would cut off at highway speeds w/o a blown fuse. Actuator fixed that problem. I read that the first 40 bikes had a problem with the exhaust actuator. It supposedly was a quote from EB himself in the article. Regardless it was a $65.00 fix. | ||
| Davo |
As for the software, it is well worth the money! I told the HD dealer that I wouldn't be needing them anymore because the gene was out of the bottle. Thanks to Al and the folks at TechnoResearch we got the other "keys" to our bikes. We all need to support their pursuits by purchasing them! The more folks that have them the closer everyone will be to scan software in the event of a breakdown in bikeland!!! | ||
| Stevenknapp |
And it reads a I.D. number or something like that off of the first ECM it reads and can only be used with that ECM from that point on. So can the tool be used on other bikes too? | ||
| Chadhargis |
Yes, the basic $200 version can be used with different bikes and ECMs. I know this because I replaced my stock ECM and used the software to do a TPS reset on my race ECM. No issues whatsoever. | ||
| Milo_h |
So.....lets see if I got this straight: If I order the VDSTS from Dave Stueve, I'm getting the same one as American Sport Bike? Will I still get downloadable upgrades? Peace Milo | ||
| Namibian |
Milo, Yes & yes. You get the software & cable for $200 (less Daves's discount) & then download upgrades from the TechnoResearch site. Daves version is old, update immediately. The SW is a b*tch to work with unless a computer guru but, eventually, it works. | ||
| Milo_h |
Yes & yes. You get the software & cable for $200 (less Daves's discount) & then download upgrades from the TechnoResearch site. Daves version is old, update immediately. The SW is a b*tch to work with unless a computer guru but, eventually, it works. Thanks for the reply. Looks like I better get one ordered. Peace Milo | ||
| Milo_h |
Update: I ordered the VDSTS from American Sport Bike. Why them, instead of Daves's, for 10% less? Well, certainly not because I want to waste my hard earned dollars! I learned that Al Lighton does a "lot" of behind the scenes work on this software to make it the best it can be. just my .02, or 10% in this case. Now if we could just get the factory to part with some race kits (that I ordered from Daves) we'll be ready for our trip to the Smokey's June 1st. Peace Milo | ||
| Davo |
Anybody familiar with the "trigger" and "AFR" readings on VDSTS? What am I looking at? | ||
| Chief |
It says this can be used with a P.D.A. has anyone here gone that route? I dont want to spend the bucks on a laptop but if the software is already a pain I cant imagine it's much easier to use with a P.D.A. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I started using VDSTS on the PC, but I bought a PDA so I could test it since I had some customer questions about how well it worked. The PC version was easy for me to set up because I'm a PC guy, I've built enough Windows PC's to know how to get things to work. But for this PDA newbie, the PDA version was simple to install, and I figured it out in no time flat. I'm still not a PDA kinda guy, as I'm not really the typical business road warrior that uses these things for email and contacts and such. But I used to do all the customer TPS resets at the shop with the PC version, now I just walk my PDA over and do it with that. It's plenty simple and real convenient to not have to push the bike to where the PC is set up. Plus, I bring it with me on trips. I even bought a bluetooth GPS to work with the PDA since I'll have it with me anyway. The serial synch cable needed for my iPAQ PDA was like 6 bucks on ebay. Bottom line: The PDA capability is cool. If you don't have a laptop, the PDA version will do most of the same stuff and for cheaper, and is certainly more portable. Certainly the big functions, the TPS and AV resets and DTC diagnostics, is easy enough to use with one. Al | ||
| Al_lighton |
I'm pretty sure "trigger" is for when you use the virtual strip chart mode for marking events. The AFR stuff is for when you are using the wideband O2 controller on the 2nd and third serial channels. With it, and the wideband O2 controller, you can get Time correlated RPM, throttle position, and RPM data. A virtual rolling dyno. The PDA version doesn't currently process the O2 AFR data yet, but I'm pushing on Techno to add it. They didn't add it the first time around because most PDA's only have one physical serial port. But I reminded them that Bluetooth PDAs can use that as a second serial port, which would permit a bluetooth dongle to feed the O2 data in parallel with the bike rpm/TP data. I think it will be added eventually, but there are higher priorities. Al | ||
| Thesmaz |
Al, How large of a file is the PDA version? I have an iPaq that I use as my GPS but my detailed maps take most of the space on my SD card. If it's small enough I could load it to one of my spare 64mb cards though. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Al, Will the VDSTS work on my 1997 Harley Electraglide? I've got the ULY also. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
I bought the PC version, but from reading the docs it appears the PDA version is also included? Just download from their site and use the same cable? | ||
| Brucen |
This is the same question I had. I downloaded the Palm Pilot software & tried it on my Pilot. It looks like it starts up & functions. If I buy one version will the cable be the same as the others? At some point I may get a Windows laptop & would like to use it without buying a new VDSTS version. | ||
| Gowindward |
The VDSTS come with a serial cable. So to use on the Palm you will have to have a serial cable adapter (a separate purchase) If your PC/Laptop has a serial port then you are good to go. If it only has USB ports (like mine) then you have to buy a USB to serial adapter cable. (Again separate purchase) | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Does the VDSTS do static timing yet?? | ||
| Oldnotbold |
I have the same question. I tried with the meter method with no success. It stayed at 5V regardless of the crank position and the check engine light stayed on. I don't want to run the chance of damaging the wiring or ECM. | ||
| Al_lighton |
Not yet. I keep bugging them for the feature though. It will be there eventually. AL | ||
| Toxic |
Ok, I apologize up front for my ignorance, but I am just trying to clarify what each of the packages will do. I know the VDSTS is a relatively stripped-down version with limited capabilities. If I get the full ECM-remap software from American Sportbike, will it do all the same things as the VDST in addition to the ECM remap and whatnot? Thanks for any help. | ||
| Al_lighton |
"I know the VDSTS is a relatively stripped-down version with limited capabilities." That would be an inaccurate characterization. VDSTS does more than directlink in terms of diagnostics and test, and will do it to any Buell hooked up to it. But it does not remap. If you don't need to change the fueling, or you don't have the tools for doing so (i.e. wideband sensor and/or dyno access), then VDSTS is the one to get. For now, VDSTS also operates on a PDA. In the near future, that will cost extra, but current versions support both platforms. If you already own it, it will continue to support both platforms. Directlink does mapping, but it will reset the TPS and AFV ONLY for the ECM that the key is locked to (needed for doing mapping work). If you must change the fueling, and all you care about otherwise is TPS resets, then Directlink is the one to get. It doesn't, and never has, operated on a PDA. Al | ||
| Toxic |
thanks | ||
| Al_lighton |
Update about VDSTS PDA Functionality: Since sometime in the fall of 2006, the VDSTS package is platform specific at the $195 price. That is, the $195 version is for EITHER the PDA or the PC, but not both. I don't know the exact date it changed, the TR folks had told me they were going to make that change but never actually told me that they had. If you want dual platform capability, you can get it, and you don't need to pay $195 x2. The dual platform capability version is now $249. I'll update our website today. Sorry for any confusion on that, I just was ordering a bunch more kits and found out myself. Al |
