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Kevin27
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My new Uly in it's new color--Carbon!! Thanks Trojan. Every thing has been replaced, front plate,beak,front fender,rear hugger,chain guard,r/s scoop,l/s scoop,oil cooler scoop,air box cover,hand guards and lower cowling. I have more pictures but I'm having trouble shrinking them to fit. Kevin
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Kevin27
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ready to tour, Buell tank bag (powered by Powerlet) Garmin 2720 GPS and Camcorder mounted on RAM mounts.
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Kevin27
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One more

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Pupu
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

god dang, that is on lump of change you just spent there, i have touble just getting the right side scoop.
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Ka5ysy
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two questions:

1. What effect is the right side air scoop having on the cooling fan run time?

2. Does the bike go faster now?

Really nice setup you have... great job!

Doug
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Az_m2
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 08:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, would like to hear how much, if any the right side air scoop reduces fan running.

Also, will the right side air scoop be protected by the frame if the bike is dropped?

Thanks
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Kevin27
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I put the right side scoop on, it also went in for the 1000 mile service and I had the race ecm, filter and Drummer installed. Too many things done at once to be sure what caused what.
All I do know is that my fan hardly runs at all now. It has only come on twice in the last 800 miles, both times stuck in traffic, then turns back off after a couple of miles. If I coast in the last block home it won't come on when I turn the bike off either.
I'm down in central Florida and the temps haven't been over 82 so we'll see how it works this summer.
As far as the frame puck protecting the R/S scoop, on level ground it should, the puck still sticks out farther than the scoop. Kevin
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Thunderbox
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the distinct feeling that very few people believe what I tell them about the fan.

The fan should come on and off whenever the engine is within operating temperatures. It is primarily there to regulate temps. If it is not coming on anymore, your bike is running too cool. That is not good. It certainly is worse than having the fan come on and off. Engines need to be at operating temps to work their best. Doing mods to your bike to reduce the time the fan is on could be a very bad thing. The parts in the engine only fit properly when they are between a certain temp. Let the fan do it's intended job and worry when it doesn't come on and only then.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe you, T-box. I was about to say that the fan is there as part of the design. A right side scoop looks cool, but if it did anything at all to aid in reliability or longevity of the engine, I think Buell would have stuck a plastic one on there. I can't imagine they are sitting there reading this remembering the fan discussion as follows:

Engineering: "Eureka! We can add a right side air scoop! We don't need that silly fan after all. Let's revise the drawings and replace the fan with a right side air scoop."

Purchasing: "(high-pitched whining sound)But what are we going to do with all those fans we picked up from China? If we don't keep buying the fans, the children won't make any money to buy food for their parents."

Engineering: "Okay, shitcan the right side air scoop, maybe the idiot customers won't notice the fan."
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Gowindward
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with T-box too. The fan is just like a thermostat in a water cooled system.

The right side scoop is cool, but it hides that pair of beautiful big JUGS. The only time I hear the fan is when I turn the bike off and remove my helmet and ear plugs. At that point I always have a big grin on my face and could care less that the bike is begging for more.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm in agreement with you Thunder.

I have, from a good source, that the right side scoop isn't necessary. The oil cooler, the left side scoop, and if you look carefully, you see there is a small right side scoop feeding some air to the rear cylinder...so Buell DID put one there...it's smaller, the swingarm transferring heat from the oil, and of course the fan all combine to cool the bike.

Now that my bike has over 1500 miles on it, the fan seldom comes on during rides. It comes on when I turn off the bike, but almost immediately goes into low speed mode. This is all without any additional cooling.

I'm in Tennessee, so we get our fair share of hot, humid weather. I'll see what happens in the summer. I'm changing to Red Line synthetic at 3000 miles (as per their recomendation). That should reduce temps some too.

I think the fan is cool. I went to meet some riding friends for dinner the other night, and when I shut off the bike, the fan came on. They all snickered and made comments. I jumped off the bike and exclaimed, "Loud fans save lives!". : ) Can't say I give a rats behind about what they think of my bike. I'm the one typically out in front on rides...so when they learn to use their 160hp, they can make fun of me. LOL!
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Thunderbox
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. I was expecting some flak about this but this is great. So there is a few of us who understand what temperature regulation is all about.

The other bad thing about having the scoop on the bike is when you get out first thing in the morning and the bike is not warm it really increases the amount of time to get the bike up to normal operating temperatures. Everyone knows that most engine wear occurs before the engine gets up to temperature. I have done a fair amount of oil analysis and there is no doubt that vehicles started and run cold have way more wear particulate in the oil than vehicles that are kept in a heated garage.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I pack my engine in dry ice.
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Dennis_c
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am glad it is still black because there faster than the gay orange ones.
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Az_m2
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now that my bike has over 1500 miles on it, the fan seldom comes on during rides. It comes on when I turn off the bike, but almost immediately goes into low speed mode. This is all without any additional cooling.

If my fan operated that way, I would be happy and not be looking for an add-on . . . but . . . with my bike, after 10 minutes on the road, my fan runs on high continually, regardless of ambient temp. I have never heard it shut down after kicking on. This is while riding at a mellow pace in 35-40 degree temps. Is that per design? It doesn't sound like it based on other folks experience. I still need to have my dealer check it out. I've got over 6k miles on the bike now.

This topic really interests me for the reason stated above, thanks for the discussion.
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Thunderbox
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That may be a faulty temp sensor that is causing that. You should take it in and have it looked at. I know my fan comes on and goes off while I ride.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my fan comes on and goes off while I ride.

Mine too. With the bike on the highway for an extended ride, I noticed it will come on momentarily with a significant decrease in speed. And it always runs when the motor is stopped. It will go off again after a short while.
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Kevin27
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think there is much danger of my motor running too cool with the extra scoop. That being said I also don't believe the fan was designed to run all the time.
All I know is I feel better knowing my motor is running below the fan turn on point, not at some unknown temp one or one hundred degrees above it.
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Thunderbox
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe you have a sensor that was not calibrated right when it was manufactured. Maybe you should get that tested. Way too much concern about the fan. In hindsight maybe Buell should have made the bike without the fan and let it run hot. More people would be happy about that than they are about the fan running. Makes me wonder.
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Lorazepam
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will take the fan running over the annoying whine that comes from the servo assist on the BMW brakes. That has to be the most annoying noise in the world.
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2old2bfast
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine too, does not kick back off until the ride is over, so I was thinking that the reports I read about the drummer minimizing the fan operation was a good thing...

Then again, maybe it's just because even in the winter it's pretty warm in Florida..?
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Brat
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the way people watch the bike with the fan running as I walk away, they're either wondering

A; whether it's about to blow up (non-mechanical minded)

B; or it's turbo'd : )
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Ka5ysy
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

. . . but . . . with my bike, after 10 minutes on the road, my fan runs on high continually, regardless of ambient temp. I have never heard it shut down after kicking on. This is while riding at a mellow pace in 35-40 degree temps. Is that per design? . . .

Warp speeds cause this to happen
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Lowflyer
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ka,

Mine did that for about the first 1k miles. I haven't done anything to the bike and it only runs occasionally now at 3700 miles. I hardly notice it anymore. I do believe that the bike must be allowed to regulate its own temperature according to the way it was designed. I don't think the right side scoop hurts anything, but I think it's like man-breasts only considerably more attractive.
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Ka5ysy
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It has occurred to me that if you have both scoops installed, it would be really neat to add some of those "DANGER, JET INTAKE" decals used on Navy birds. That would give somebody pause !!
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Az_m2
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I've read, folks have quite different experiences with fan operation. Would be nice if all I have is a faulty temp sensor. Otherwise, I'm getting the scoop.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We need to think of a name for this ridiculous fan phobia.

heatafanaphobia?
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Lorazepam
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

vortiphobia?
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Ka5ysy
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fangate
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Az_m2
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amazing timing. The ride home for lunch today was the first time ever my fan has not come on during the ride. Kicked on when I shut the bike down, but I expected that. hmmm
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Lowflyer
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many miles do you have on the bike?
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Az_m2
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

about 6300 miles

same happened on the way home after work
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Birdmanrh
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I live in the Valley of the Sun, I doubt my fan will ever shut off. : )

I am wondering how the bike is going to be in the 115-degree weather! We will see......
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Az_m2
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was pretty hot when I first got my bike (I purchased it over Labor Day weekend). Fan ran the same then as it does now. I thought it was due to break-in.
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