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Grimace308
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i can find the other post, so here goes.

the orange pumpkin was delivered today and i was looking at the right side air scoop, or more correctly, trying to find the right side air scoop.

rumor has it that with the aftermarket right side air scoop from american something or another in the sponsors section, the bike runs cooler, the fan doesnt run as much, or as long.

is this the scoop theyre talking about and if it is, how in peetes sake, does it fit in there?
part #9160 Right side air scoop.

anyone here replaced the right side scoop yet?

chris
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Cataract2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you talking about Trojan's or American Sport Bike's right side airscoop or the stock plastic thing that's on your bike now?
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been wondering about those right side scoops too. It seems silly to me that the engineers would not have thought to put a scoop on the right if it provided any benefit at all. If there is a scoop on the right and on the left, where does the air flow to? It seems like it would be more efficient to have a single scoop and a place for the air to flow.
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Cataract2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I have the one from Trojan and all I can say is it works. The day I put it on my fan stopped running on all except interstate speeds (75mph+). I had a big write up on it back when I got it. I'll dig it up and post it.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My fan stopped running a lot when I switched to synthetic oil. I haven't done anything else to the bike. Now the fan only comes on sometimes when I shut down, and it doesn't stay on as long as it used to. I have read also that the exhaust and ECM upgrades cause the fan to come on less as well. At some point, with all of these fan-quieting mods, we should be able to throw the fan in the trash.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've looked at the bike, and I think the left scoop should be feeding the rear cylinder plenty of air. Heck, I'm a big guy and I can fit my fist half way down the scoop. That combined with the fan should be plenty without spending hundreds of dollars on another scoop.

The only time I notice my fan running is in slow going or sitting in traffic (and of course when I turn the bike off). If I'm riding at a brisk pace, the fan doesn't come one much. I've only got 1500 miles on my bike, and I'm still running conventional oil. I'll be switching to synthetic oil at 3000 miles. My bike is breaking in nicely. I've noticed more power, and better fuel economy as of late. I can only guess that more miles and synthetic oil will complete the deal.

Having ridden air cooled bikes for the past several years, I don't much worry about them overheating. I've seen WAY too many Harleys in parades in the middle of the summer and they keep right on running. On the flip side, I've seen a new liquid cooled R1 boil it's coolant all over the pavement during an MSF Experienced Rider Course.

A very reputable fellow and Buell enthusiast told me that the right side scoop really wasn't necessary. For now, I'm choosing to trust the Buell engineers on this one. : )
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Az_m2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To me the benefit of a right side air scoop would be to lessen how much the fan runs. Mine comes on and runs pretty much all the time on any trip over a few miles. I'm not concerned about the bike overheating.
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Cataract2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Low, I run Mobil 1 15/50 in the engine and while that helped quite the fan some it wasn't complete. I added the right side air scoop and now about the only time it runs is when I turn the bike off or get off the interstate.
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Thunderbox
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would say if the fan isn't running at all your engine is running too cool. The fan operates and keeps the engine within a certain heat range. Driving the bike too cool will certainly do as much damage as running it too hot. With a scoop on the right side in cooler weather you may be doing yourself no favors. If the fan never comes on you are too cool my friend. With cars it is important to have a correct thermostat and on the Buell it is as equally as important to get the bike up to a certain temp also.

Maybe too much is too much. But this is just my 2 cents worth. 35 years a mechanic.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Az,

How many miles do you have on your Uly? Mine stopped running all the time after the first 1k or so. I switched to synthetic at about 2k and the fan is almost never on.

Given the singularity of the expected benefit of the scoop, I would consider it as a last resort if I had a cooling problem. As it is, I would look to do other things that might have additional cooling as a side benefit; especially since the bike is not overheating.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't get me wrong, though. I think the scoop likely performs its intended function and it looks cool. I am just really cheap and look for the most multitasking per mod-$$.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Loud Fans Save Lives!
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If someone says anything to me about it, I just look at them with a bewildered look on my face and say, "Doesn't your bike cool itself?" Then I ask, "Why does your bike have all that gas stored way up high on the bike? Why do you have to remove your tankbag to gas up? What's up with that tiny water heater looking thing hanging off the side of your bike? You have to lube a chain...ick!"

: )

(Message edited by chadhargis on February 07, 2006)
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Az_m2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have just over 5K on the bike and I'm running Syn3. From what I've read, seems folks have very different experiences, some run like mine all the time and others not much at all (like above).

Even when I'm riding to work in light traffic (meaning that I'm moving most, if not all the time), with the temp in the high 30's or low 40's, after about 10-12 minutes or so, the fan kicks on and runs like there's no tommorrow.

Seems to me that the fan couldn't be cooling the rear cyclinder down any more than the 35 degree air moving around it at 50mph.

Question: Can anyone remember their fan come on and then shutdown while riding? Once mine comes on, it's on for good.
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Lowflyer
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Can anyone remember their fan come on and then shutdown while riding?"

Yes, mine has done this. I have generally been riding in 40-50-degree weather and the fan rarely comes on if at all on my 10-mile commute. One particularly warm day that was near 67 a few weeks ago, my fan came on while I was on my way home on the freeway. It stayed on for about five miles and then shut off as I rolled to a stop at my exit. It didn't come on again until I got home and shut down.
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Brad1445
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine has shut down after riding
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Two_buells
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does the Uly have a fan?

The Orange is just too fast to notice the fan noise
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Az_m2
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks, my bike must run hot
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Dave
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine is on and off while running. It seems the warmer days it ran more. What the hell... it's winter here now. I wouldn't sweat it. Think about it...this is an air cooled engine. It's predesessors didn't even have a fan. (ok - Japanese tubers did) The main concern is the rear cylinder heat. Fan running is gravy on the cake. :-)

DAve
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