| Author | Message | ||
     Redne_dab |
There are lots of cool GPS units out there. This linkhttp://www.gpsdiscount.com/home.html is a place that shows some of them (I have no affiliation with them). One concern with a big, very securely mounted GPS is that it would interfere with Geocaching.http://www.geocaching.com. If you haven't tried it yet -it is the stupidest fun you'll ever have. YMMV, B | ||
| Rkc00 |
Go here for all of the HD dealers waypoints. http://www.moccsplace.com/images/harley/gpsdealers/ Mike Long Island, NY 06 XB12X Black of course | ||
| Lowflyer |
"Someone who isn't GPS savy might be waiting for the buell system not knowing that the Quest is cheaper and there are many excelent aftermarket mounts." In a free market society, that would be blamed on the individual(s) that made the uninformed purchase. People that fail to educate themselves enough to make an informed purchasing decision deserve whatever it is they get; good or bad. Whether they made the right choice is up to the individual; not you or me. Therefore, some folks will like the Buell Quest enough to disregard the similarities between it and Quest, and they won't care how much it costs. After all, there is that saying, "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it." | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Whether they made the right choice is up to the individual; not you or me. I don't hold it against them or anything like that. Everyone is able to do what they wish. But in the spirit of trying to help my fellow BadWeb users, give back some of what I've received, I thought it would be nice to help out and offer the information. I've seen a lot of posts on the best deal on this or that. Alternate parts and accessories that work as well or better than OEM. This is no different, is it? | ||
| Lowflyer |
Who can argue with helping out a fellow Badwebber? That's like saying, "I did it for the children." The reality is, these are two separate products. Everybody already knows that they can get a Quest for less money. Badwebbers are not stupid or naive, but they know what they want. A lot of us dig the Buell branded stuff. I can buy a tank bag for $50 and make it work fine, or I can buy the Buell one for $100. I'll buy the Buell one because I want it and I have the money to spend. I don't need somebody telling me the Buell bag is just a tank bag with a name on it. I already know that. Likewise the Buell Quest. It's a GPS receiver with Buell's name on it. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
I can buy a tank bag for $50 and make it work fine I can see buying a generic tankbag vs one that's designed for the bike. And then mucking around with the tankbag to make it work. Or your floormat example, I hate crappy universal floormats. In this case I just don't see where the aftermarket approach is something you need to "make work." Many of the aftermarket mounts are very high quality, there are some crap ones as well. Actually the extra $$$ could be better spent on a better GPS. The Quest2 has all the detailed maps preloaded, which is a nice touch. That's just my opinion, and it disagrees with yours. Such is life. I'm not calling you on the phone, I'm not emailing you...I'm posting this info in a public forum. Look around, I'm sure there is plenty of info in this forum that you don't need to be told. Plenty you already know. What makes this special?} | ||
| Thunderbox |
Well if you like the Buell things the best, thats fine with me but I still want to hear what is available in the aftermarket. We are not all the same so lets cut others some slack. I always say if you aren't riding a Buell you may as well be walking. | ||
| Jim_sb |
Hi Steve, Hey, when guys like you and Skull come into Badweb with this info. you just made it easier for everyone else to decide which item they're prefer to spend their hard earned $$$ on. By doing the legwork and posting it you've saved the rest of us some time. Thanks. As far as mark-ups and whatnot, HD/Buell is "for profit", their mark-ups on accessories are typical. Before I would purchase the Buell model I would want to see one installed to evaluate the installation. How secure is it? How easy is it for someone to steal the unit from the bike? Or for you to take it off? Etc., etc. I'm already familiar with RAM mounts (and my Garmin V gps) and it's pros and cons. My G V will be going on the Uly soon - on the left side of the handlebar and YES sometimes I do change the settings while riding (not recommended, please don't try this at home, professional rider on closed course only, etc.) because sometimes things change during a 500 mile day on the bike. Quite frankly that's the biggest "con" to having a GPS / Stereo / Cell Phone / Intercom / Radio on your motorcycle. If you divert your attention you can get into trouble in a hurry. Best, Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| Lowflyer |
I reckon I am alone in thinking that critics who have not even held the product in hand, let alone seen it mounted on a bike in person, are not worth listening to.  Oh, and good luck with those waypoints.  | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Is there some issue with the waypoint file that you know of? I looked, and it seems fine for IL at least. They even include a custom icon file with a little HD logo. I could hold the Buell version in my hand, but it's still a Garmin Quest. Heck, Buell does little to hide that. I've tinkered with the Quest, but never been tempted to buy one, as it's memory is limiting at best. Espically at the $700 price point. For a novice user the memory limitation is something to consider. The need to load the unit with detailed maps is a turn off for many I've talked to. Espically as the memory size grows smaller, or your rides grow longer. Having a GPS that has all the detailed maps preloaded makes it easier. The Quest2 looks much better, with the full detailed maps built in. I'll be interested in seeing the Buell mount, but as mentioned, it's on the right hand side and fixed in location. Both features do not appeal to me. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Yes, I bumped the waypoints and some of them on the site are way off. You are right. It is a Quest. I like the more feature-packed units myself, but the Quest is great for motorcycling. They can take a serious beating. Vibes are not an issue. That is an issue with the models with hard drives. It was an issue that had to be overcome in the Bimmer 2610. Pre-loaded maps are okay, but you have to put up with slower processing speeds and degraded search capability. Imagine doing a search for the nearest McDonald's. The unit will have to gather and display a list of eleventy billion addresses. You have to weigh that against picking maps and loading them individually. I can tell you the Buell mount looks great on the Uly. It is purely aesthetics as we can both agree, but like I said before, it looks like it came with the bike. I agree with you on the price. $700 can get quite a bit more GPS than a Quest, but it's all in what the person wants. These are luxury items after all. As for what's next, stay tuned! | ||
| Lowflyer |
You are selling your GS to buy a Uly? I lusted after the GS for 6 years without buying one. When I had the cash, the Uly was there and I bought it instead. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
I am curious to see the mount. Is the bit that holds the GPS pretty sturdy? A friend has/had a Quest on his KLR. Went through 2-3 of them before Garmin told him it wasn't intended for that "abuse" and he replaced it with a 60-series unit. On his the antenna coax in the hinge bit was failing. Only one person, I know. Honestly, I like the unit, the small size, and the features. But the memory is just too limiting for me. The Quest2 is appealing. And if that's what Buell was selling, I'd probably buy one! The other extreme was trying to get my GPSV to generate routes when parts of the route was on the basemap, other parts were on the detailed maps. It was horrid. I'm not sure if the Quest deals with this any better, but another friend with a 60-series indicated it still wasn't good in that unit. Ya, GS is gone actually and I decided to buy the Uly from DaveS. We just had our first kid. I can't really say all what hit. But I looked at the GS as a bike to own for 10 years. And I looked at all electronics, the BMW only diag tool, the shrinking dealer network, and the BMW arrogance. My '02 RT wasn't horrible, but it was hardly trouble free. The final drive pinion seal needed replacing twice. The trans leaked oil onto the clutch causing it to slip. The servo assisted brakes could be an issue too. Maybe I'm turning into my dad "All that extra stuff just to break". Then I rode the Buell. I liked it more. More raw and basic, behaved like a bike, normal forks, normal brakes, engine, torque galore. Buell seemes less arrogant, tons more dealers too. As you said, it's all what a person want's, and it is a luxury item. The GS was worth more than the Buell cost, so it was an easy sell. We'll see, I hope I won't regret this.  | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Oh, and I'm curious, how did they wire it into the bike? Nice harness? Or something like scotchlock connectors? | ||
| Daves |
The Buell unit wires right into the factory harness. No splicing or scotchlock connectors. The mount appears to be good and sturdy. I asked them about the right side mounting and they said that they don't want people fiddling with it while on the move. The buttons on it are kind of small to be trying to push while riding. It would take your attention off the road and could,as the owners manual always says,"cause serious injury or death". The Buell unit does look like it fits nice and made for the bike. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Where does it tap in? Did they leave a plug in the harness? Or does it Y into one of the outlets? Any way you can order the mount w/out the GPS? Riding a motorcycle may cause injury or death.  | ||
| Lowflyer |
My dad actually talked me out of the GS. He had a K1200RS and hated owning it. He complained about the mx costs, dealer arrogance, and other things. That was in my head when I read the Cycle World review of the Uly. I have 3k miles on mine so far and it has been the best bike I have ever ridden or owned. I like it so much, I am considering buying a dual sport to take some of the load off of it. | ||
| Keyser_soze |
In an effort to continue the hijack of this thread I need to come clean. I am a recovering BMW rider. I sold my '97 RT and was considering the purchase of a GS ADV when it all came crashing down. I realized I didn't care for the high maintenance costs (even though I do most of my wrenching myself), the boutique shops, and most of all, the technology for technology's sake. Now I ride a XB12X (all of 50 miles on it since I am snowed in). When BMW they started linking their brakes and adding the servos they lost me for good. There are at least three of us over here riding Buells and lurking on the MRN forum. I really think many more BMW riders will follow. The Buell dealership I went to had some of the best service I have received if not the greatest prices. It was like the local BMW shop was 10 years ago. The Uly is much better than the '95 S2 I owned in performance and build quality. The Ulysses may be the perfect "ONE" bike. I know someone who will be selling a '01 GSXR 1000 once the snow melts  KS | ||
| Doon |
Not knowing that much about GPS's, how limiting is the Memory on the Quest? For instance, if I wanted to download the maps for NY,MA,VT, would I be able to do so? OR would that take up too much memory? Also Do I have to do it by state, or Can I just download parts of States? IE the Eastern Part of NY, VT, Western Part of NH if that is where I was planning on going that day? | ||
| Jim_sb |
Doon, I have the Garmin GPS V. It only has 19mb of RAM, takes about 40 minutes to download using an old serial cable. It depends on where you are and how much detail there is, but in CA I can only get a small amount of the detailed maps. For shorter trips it's great, or for trips to limited areas. It does have a base map of major highways so if you're taking a freeway to Chicago and back it should be fine. But that's not how I ride. IIRC the Quest had roughly 115mb - or 6 times what my V has. Not bad, but still seemingly somewhat limited for longer adventures. It may have the option to purchase or install additional memory, which would be great. Mine does not. Now, if I'm flying to Portland for the weekend I can download all of the Portland maps and I have a great portable GPS. But my next unit will hopefully have the entire USA in the unit at all times. I think the Quest is a huge improvement over what I have and bears research. Best bet is to talk to someone who owns one. Jim in SB | ||
| Lowflyer |
Doon, You can download parts of states. The amount of detail usually related to population density dictates how many maps you can have at one time. 115 Mb is more than enough for all but the very longest of rides. Jim, You need to try the GPSMap 396. | ||
| Stevenknapp |
"It does have a base map of major highways so if you're taking a freeway to Chicago and back it should be fine." On my GPSV if I tried routing on some built in and some loaded maps I always got bad results. It was worse if I pre-generated the routes on my PC then loaded them into the GPSV. I'm not sure how many use pre-generated routes, but I find them handy. Espically if I'm trying to follow some roads suggested by others. But after my experience with the GPSV I just started making sure I had all the map detail loaded. It's nice anyways, should you need/want to take some back roads. Garmin's mapsource viewer on their web page shows the blocks you can choose to download. Each block is ~1MB. Or if you have a particular trip/region I'd be glad to select it in Mapsource and tell you the size. The 396/376 tempts me. My XM receiver is getting a bit flakey anyways...And a friend is very interested in my 276C... | ||
| Lowflyer |
If you're not a flyer, the 376 is the way to go. It is the shizzle if ever there was one.  | ||
| Medic |
I have a Quest 2 on my Uly. It has all of the United States pre-loaded on the unit. It also has 140MB of free space for other maps. I love it. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Doon, You might consider using the unit picker feature on the garmin.com website. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Medic, Can you post some pics of the unit mounted on the Uly? | ||
| Doon |
Thanks. I will poke around on the Garmin Website some more. I am looking to split using this between my 2 bikes and perhaps let my better half use it in the car. The farthest I have every ridden in 1 day has been about 600 miles. so from what I see, I can probably get away with the quest. I have been looking at the quest2 also, but the price difference might push it out of what I can spend right now. Newegg has a quest for $349, and the quest 2 for $539.(shipping is $6 on both) So the question is do I want to spend $190 more for the quest2. The bad part about being married to an accountant, gets hard to go over the budget sometimes, but I did manage to get a New Lighting out of her and she does like GPS's. (Message edited by doon on February 02, 2006) | ||
| Stevenknapp |
Maybe split the difference? Get a reman 2610? http://www.tvnav.com/reman2610.htm It's waterproof. But has no battery, it needs to be hardwired to the bike. People are mixed on the touchscreen. Some love it, some don't. It takes normal CF cards. So for $50 or so you can get a huge card and store the entire US. If the included 128MB card isn't big enough. | ||
| Medic |
Lowflyer, I will take some pics tomorrow. | ||
| Lowflyer |
That's an excellent deal on the 2610. I would go for that over either Quest. You can use your accessory plug for it or hardwire it either way. The downside is that it cannot be used off the bike or out of the car. But that is also what an eTrex is for.  |
