| Author | Message | ||
     Chadhargis |
Does anyone know if the race kit will fit the Uly, and if so, what does it do to the fuel mileage. I'm not really interested in having the bike be any louder, but releasing a few ponies would be nice. Since this is primarily my sport touring rig, fuel range is a big factor. Most of the guys I tour with can go 200 miles before they need fuel. I could live with a 160 mile range or so, but anything less than that and it becomes an inconvenience. Anyone have any experience with the race ECM, filter, and muffler? Are there alternatives (PCIII, K&N, and aftermarket muffler). Thanks, Chad | ||
| Uselyssxb12x |
Good questions...was wondering the same...how about performance? Torque? | ||
| Whodom |
Chad, I believe the muffler outlet or belt guard has to be trimmed to put the factory race kit muffler on the Uly. I don't believe there is a significant mileage loss with the race kit but I could be wrong. I'd suggest asking the question on the XB section. The XB section has had a lot of discussions on the race kit and alternatives. IIRC, there is some loss of low end with the race kit muffler. The general consensus is that the Drummer has no loss of low end but similar high end power. Other alternative exhausts include the Special O.P.S., the D&D (LOUD), and others. Search the XB section for previous discussions. See the American Sport Bike portion of the sponsors section and check out the Dyno Testing thread for what Al Lighton has been accomplishing on his Uly (99.5 RWHP and a flat torque curve with bolt-on mods). He's using the Micron full exhaust system, open air box with K&N filter, and re-mapping the race ECM. See the thread here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/17143/164053.html?1134191408 | ||
| Chadhargis |
Well, I guess I should add one more requirement to the list. These mods can't get too expensive. $500-$600 is fine, but anything more than that and you start to experience the law of deminishing return. What I'm looking for is bang for the buck. Is 5hp worth $600? Probably not. Especially given the fuel mileage hit I'm likely to take. I can't tell you the number of people I've seen bolt on pipes, PowerCommanders, K&N filters, etc and LOSE power or only gain 1 or 2 hp in the process. To do it right, you have to have the bike properly tuned, and dyno time is expensive. I don't think I've ever left a bike completely stock, but the XB runs well enough that I just might leave it alone for awhile. It doesn't appear to have any lean spots or flat spots. FI seems to work great. Starts on the first try (even when it was 25 degrees the other day). So far I can't complain. But....that 99rwhp does sound tempting!  | ||
| Ftd |
Chad, I am going with just a KN filter and Drummer pipe on my Ulysses. Keeping the stock ECM. After researching this some and riding my friend's Drummer/KN equiped XB12R I feel that these mods are all you will need. I imagine fuel mileage will not change much if at all. Frank | ||
| Brat |
I've got the race kit fitted, fuel economy is better given you ride it the same because it is more efficient, if you use the extra power then of course it will use more fuel! The muffler sounds great, not much noisier than standard but a whole heap deeper, gives it balls, plus it looks really cool! I am going to fit the standard computer module back to test low rev driveability as I'm having to slip the clutch on really rough stuff to keep moving at a controllable speed, it idles at about 20k at the moment, I prefer a slower speed dodging ruts and trees! | ||
| Daves |
Brat, You need to adjust your idle! I run a race kit on my 12R demo and still get about 50 MPG at 70-80 mph. I'm going to put a D+D on a ULY to ride next year! | ||
| Royintulsa |
What is a D & D? Dave, in your opinion, what are the most useful modifications to the Buell XB12X? I know a lot of modifications are customer preference, but what modifications are good for the bike? What modifications will make the bike last longer? What modifications make the bike more powerful? What modifications will make be better looking on my Uly? (Never mind, I know I would look a lot cooler on the Uly if I was 30 lbs. lighter!) | ||
| Brat |
Sorry Dave, I meant it's rideable at 20k, any slower with the clutch out and it's as jerky as hell! Most of my riding is 2 up so it adds to the difficulty level X2, probably more as my passenger is a novice! | ||
| Daves |
Roy, The D+D is a slip on muffler. Sounds loud and gnarly,just what I like. Adds a nice mid-range punch to the power,where you use it most. It will be too loud for some. What mods? To last longer, Syn oil Don't beat the crap out of it! Mods for more power, Pipe Race ECM or new direct link to reprogam your stock one Race or K+N filter What mods for you, New ULY jacket Buell of Appleton T-shirt 100 trips to the gym  Brat, I too feel the ULY is geared too tall for serious,slow speed off road riding. You could put the primary front sprocket and chain from a XB9 in it to lower your ratio. | ||
| Lovehamr |
Chad, here is a link and pic of mine with the race kit. No trimming of anything is required as shown in the pics. The lone negative is that sometimes the kickstand hits the left side muffler outlet when it's retracted. There is more mid range punch as mentioned already. To sum it up I really dig mine.  http://sporttwin.com/coppermine/cat=16680.html If you need any more info let me know man. Steve | ||
| Keyser_soze |
Brat, That is one screaming Uly. Mine redlines at just under 7K. I think some of the new 600cc sportbikes redline at 16K. 20K rpms on a tractor motor is a miracle bordering on Formula 1 territory.  Just being a smartass. I know you mean 2k rpms. KS '01 GSXR 1K '06 XB12X | ||
| Brat |
Sorry Keyser_soze, I actually meant 20 kilometres per hour, us Aussies are metricated! Lovehamr, did you do much riding before you put the race kit on, I put mine on from new and am tempted to put the standard computer back on to see if it helps low-speed tractibility, I read somewhere the factory specced it for that! Mine also pings a lot if I give it too much throttle two up, on my own it's fine? | ||
| Keyser_soze |
Brat, I thought you were talking about RPMs. I owe you a pint for my ignorance.  | ||
| Brat |
I'll be happy to collect, some time in 2007! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Royintulsa, "What modifications will make be better looking on my Uly?" If you want to look better on your ULY then let me ride it around Tulsa with a full coverage helmet on and then you can tell everyone that that was you. | ||
| Royintulsa |
I think a 100 trips to the gym would be better for me Electaglider - thanks so much for the offer though! | ||
| Chadhargis |
Humm...might have to spring for that Race Kit sometime in the spring as long as it's not too awfully loud. Anyone live near Nashville, TN that has the race muffler? I'd love to hear it. | ||
| Daves |
I have them in stock and can save you 10%.  | ||
| Chadhargis |
Who else would I buy it from? Seems like a pretty good deal for the muffler, ECU, and air filter. What's the total price on it. It's under $600 isn't it? | ||
| Daves |
589.45 plus shipping | ||
| Chadhargis |
Humm...as soon as I teach a few MSF courses you may be getting an order. Classes start the last week of Feb. | ||
| Royintulsa |
After installing the kit, does the dealer have to adjust the TPS? | ||
| Daves |
Yes, unless you have the Techno research software so you can do it yourself. | ||
| Pbransonii |
Daves, Is the race kit muffler as strong as the original? Does it use the backflow valve? What kind of hp and torque numbers should be expect? I'm really getting jazzed here. From what I can see, the Uly looks like one of the easier bikes to modify and one of the least expensive. For instance, I saw a carbon fiber airbox cover the other day that looked totally cok on somebody's website. I think it went for around $350. To do the same thing to a GS would cost at least a thousand. HP and torque upgrades to the gs are similarly expensive in comparison. Paul | ||
| Daves |
You are not going to gain huge amounts,the stock pipe works very well. The race kit no longer uses the flapper in the muffler. You can still jack the bike on the race muffler so it is plenty strong. You will gain some midrange and up power but not "peak" power Your bike will sound much better than stock(to me anyway) Do you want to install one on the ULY you know you want to buy from me! You would actually get the race kit for 556.71,that's 15% off,plus installation of course. | ||
| Royintulsa |
How do you get the Techno Research software? All I really want is that great V-Twin sound only a Harley, Buell or Ducati can make. | ||
| Daves |
I sell it. 195.00 Give me a call sometime, I can talk better than I type! 1-866-757-1651 ask for Dave in the sales dept. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
Please keep in mind tuning one of these is about ride ability and engine life not Max HP. The above listed up grades all work OK, but Al and I have found that even the Race ECM has some lean spots when used with mufflers other than the one it was designed for. I have installed a WEGO II data acquisition system and can say beyond a doubt the stock ECM on a stock bike runs on the lean side in "Closed Loop." On the ULY the larger tank helps with miles between full-ups, but it's a AF ratio of 14.5 to 15.5 when cruising that is a big player in gas mileage. As we get a better understanding of the math inside the ECM I am sure there will some moods that can be tuned correctly and still keep OK MPG rates. But HP mods require maps that can protect the engine through all T/S and RPM and as a rule they will not be the best for mileage. ... Terry | ||
| Lowflyer |
Any demand for performance mods for the Uly are a total mystery to me. What can you do with a race modified Uly that you can't do with a bone stock one? Seems to me if you want your a$$ kicked at stoplights or at the track, it could be done equally well with a stock Uly, but for less $$. At least if it's stock, you can say, "It will go faster once I modify it." Once it is modified, and you have your a$$ handed to you, you will have only succeeded in irrefutably confirming what we all know to be true. The Uly is a sport-tourer; not a tour-sporter.  |
