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Two_buells
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.ceebaileys.com/buell/ulyssesws.html

Its raining real hard in Pa now so I'll give a ride report after the next ride.
Looks good so far. I like the way the windshield bends forward at the top.

CeeBaileys
XB12X
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Dave
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ohhhh give us a foul weather ride report!! : ) Rain and all.

DAve
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Xb12xdude
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is the size of your windshield ?
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Brad1445
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought this windshield also but have not yet put on as I do not want to share pins from my stock windshield and want to keep ready for fast switch back so I will buy more pins.

How hard was it to feed them through?

Brad
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Speedstar
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone checked into getting more of the stock mounting pins for the screen through the dealer?
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Two_buells
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ordered some pins from Dave @ Appleton
I was not hard to take the pins out.
The windshield is the tallest one from Cee Baileys
6" taller
It was dark, cold and wet by the time I installed the windshield Monday Night.....
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Mb182
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An excellent opportunity to test and report on its ability to shield you from the rain: )
MB
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Bienhoabob
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I received my Ceebaileys 6" windshield this afternoon. I installed in about 10 minutes with no problems what-so-ever. I removed the OEM mounting plugs with a spark plug boot puller after masking off the OEM windshield to prevent scratches, put some liquid soap on the inside of the OEM plugs and pulled/pushed the OEM plugs onto the Ceebaileys windshield. I had none of the problems Javadog had. There is no play in the windshield mounts. I can't give a ride report at the moment. It started to drizzle here with the forecast changing to snow.
Ceebaileys told me that they have tested the 6" over windshield up to speeds of 115 with no ill effects.

I'm very happy with the product.

Bob C.
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Daves
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will have one this week to check out.
Planning on selling them if I like what I see.
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Brad1445
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info.

I was able to order pins today From Sun Harley in Denver for $2.00 a pin. I bought eight.

I really like the idea of being able to switch shields in a moments notice no tools.
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Two_buells
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

for my hight, 5'11", there is a good noisy wind blast above 50 mph with the Cee Bailey's 6+" tall windshield. Thats just my first ride to work test this morning....btw temp was 27.....
maybe when and if I get the lower seat that wind blast will change......
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Two_buells
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got my pins yesterday from Dave @ Appleton.
The ride home from work on Wed was just as noisy.
The wind blast hits me square in the face and is really noisy with my Arai XD helmet. The wind blast with my stock windshield is alot less.
The taller windshield does feel real good and stable at 100~110MPH.....
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Caution my +6 came off at about 75 MPH last night and almost took my head off. I will be on the phone to them this morning before we install the other one on our "Demo Bike" and before anyone asked "Yes it was fully installed." I even cleaned off all the soap I used to install the pins. ... Just a word of caution and we may try a +2 because it will have less wind load. ... Terry
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Chadhargis
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Holy smokes!

I was afraid of a taller windshield pulling the pins loose.

I have found over the years that a short screen typically gives a quieter, smoother ride. Yeah, you get gorilla arms if you go too fast, but I typically don't spend much time at 80+mph. Most of the time I'm on the back roads where you're running 60 to 70mph in the straights and much slower in the tight corners.

The stock screen works for me everywhere except on the interstate at 90mph. Then I feel the windblast pushing me back. Of course, I'm 6'5" and make a really BIG Uly sail.
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I spoke to Cee Bailey this morning and told them what happened. We agreed that I would look for the one that came off and then install the one for the demo on mine and test the bike again. This time I will watch for flutter or any looseness or excess flex at speed around 75 or 80 mph. Looked for the windshield with no luck and tested the other +6. There is a lot of movement due to vibration at idle which is not an issue, but at speed the load is heavy and flex is greater than I want to worry about. We will try and exchange two of the three for for a stock with a flip and a +2. . ... Terry
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Two_buells
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buelldyno_guy did you use a new set of pins with the new Cee Baileys windshield?

When I received my CB shield I pulled the used pins out of my stock windshield and put them in the new CB shield. The fit was very loose and I was concerned about it falling off at speed. I had some new pins on order and came in a few days later.
With the old pins I could push back on the top of the CB shield and pop out the lower pins. When I installed the new pins I could not pop the shield out. It took a lot of force to remove the shield. I did reuse the old pins in the stock shield. The weather is bad here in Pennsylvania and I will not get much riding in for the next two months. After some more riding/testing I might just bolt the CB shield to the flyscreen.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That Cee B windscreen needs a couple of metal rods that attach to the screen and also to the handlebar cross piece. To rely on those rubber pieces for a higher screen is just crazy. I say that because I notice how much my ULY windscreen vibrates when I rev the motor and can just imagine the deflection the taller Cee Bailey screen must experience. That Cee Bailey windscreen is a half-assed engineered answer to a taller screen. I also read recently http://www.motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Fairing.html#Windshield that acrylic windshields are much inferior to polycarbonate in regards to shattering. Acrylic can shatter like glass and slash you to pieces.
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Two_buells
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

from Cee Bailey's web site:
Cee Baileys Aircraft Plastics is a leading FAA/PMA Approved aircraft windshield manufacturer. Started in 1955, Cee Baileys has hundreds of FAA Parts Manufacturing Approvals for various makes and models of aircraft. Our new motorcycle accessories are made with the same processes as our aircraft products. We understand that the existing suppliers may have a lot of opinions to give you about a so-called "new" supplier, but remember these key points…..

Anyone with an oven and a sheet of acrylic can produce items for motorcycles, as there are no approvals required. There are perhaps 300-400 producers of acrylic accessories of all types in the USA.

Nobody can produce an item for aircraft unless they're FAA Certified. There are +/-3 companies FAA Approved to manufacture general aviation windshields and windows in the USA. We do not have to tell you what it takes to produce parts under FAA license, I am sure you can imagine. Testing, engineering, drawings, records, audits, inspections, and all of the other good stuff that comes with it.

We are bikers ourselves. Since our friends and ourselves have been noticing the lack of variety and quality of products for the premium market for such bikes as BMW and Goldwings, we would like to give you the option of an "aircraft grade" product for your PREMIUM bike at reasonable prices.

So, if you are being berated on the Bulletin Board about even talking about Cee Baileys producing an item for your motorcycle, just mention that the last time you checked, none of the other suppliers were qualified to make windshields for airplanes and you would like to see if they can improve upon what is out there now. Why would you want to discourage another possible supplier? Especially a quality one!
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe my wording is a little harsh but I can't see how the ULY windscreen can go taller without adding frame support like I mentioned. The taller the windshield goes the more force the wind will be able to exert on attachment pins. Just looking at the photos it seems to me that if someone just pushed against the top of the taller windscreen the pins would pop out or the yellow Buell part would crack. New pins or not, I think BuellDynoguy is taking a big chance with that weakly supported taller screen.


(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on December 10, 2005)
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Johnb
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ummm, anyone else suspect the current 'pin+grommet' mounting design is an imperfect idea? Maybe somekind of aesthetically pleasing, hand-tightened, secure-lock nut+washer+bolt+wingnut whatever combo could do the job without harming fairing/screen materials. Might be a somewhat interesting innovative design exercise for someone.
I'd still like to see an adjustable height implementation of this Buell windscreen - getting the top lip trailing edge in the windflow sweet spot relative to your helmet is an ergonomic feature lacking w/fixed one-size-fits-all blah blah. Hope Cee Bailey's gets things worked out - maybe just some locking bolts at the bottom two mounting locations will solve the prob..
windshield uly pin+grommet mount
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Two_buells
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Electraglider_1997, I too agree that with the taller 6+ CB windshield needs a better mounting system. As I said in my above post, "When I installed the new pins I could not pop the shield out. It took a lot of force to remove the shield."

I was looking at the pins that came with my "signature windshield" As you can see in the pictures its nothing fancy just a carrage bolt, O-ring, spacer and a nut. I think a trip to the local hardware store is in order. I'll post my results.....
nut
spacer
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want to discourage, I just don't want fellow riders to get maimed by products that are rushed to market.
As I said in the above post, my stock ULY windshield harshly vibrates when I rev the engine. How much does the CB windshield deflect while it vibrates? It would seem to be directly proportional to the length. I think the reason the stock mini shield is just rubber pinned in place is because it might fracture and fail if bolted on. You have the right idea (I think) with the rubber o-rings.
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am a retired airline engineer and don't want to take any shot at Cee Bailey, as I do understand the FAA approval process for replacement parts. If the stock windshield were an aircraft part, no one could make a replacement part without complying with FAR regulations. That process would require "Test and Computation" data be submitted to the FAA if any changes were made to the original design. So you can't change the height without test data to back up the design change. But this is not AC stuff, it's motorcycle stuff and my experience is that the +6 is too tall for the stock pins. ... Terry
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cee Bailey +6 update. We wrote them a nice letter stating why we needed to return the two we had (Could not find the one that came off) and as a dealer we could take a chance of what happened to me, happening to a customer. We asked for three shorter windscreens, one stock height and two +2 in exchange for ones we returned. No hassles and in just a few days we received all three. I will post pictures of both sizes, but the +2 works great on my bike. I am 5' 8" and get no buffeting at all. Good clean air in my face shield and a lot less on my chest. Cee Bailey "Good Guys" I can and will recommend them. ... Thanks Again You Guys. ...Terry
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Terry, thanks for the update. Since I'm also 5'8", I'll probably get a +2 for my Uly.
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





Here you go!
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Sarinstructor
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does that come in orange?
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think so.
I just got it today.
Cee Bailey sent it to me to check out.
I wish it was warmer so I could install one and take a ride.
OK, I just wish I could take a ride!
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Brat
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now we're talking!
When mounted how strong is it?
How much is it please Dave?
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well it mounts up to the bolts that hold the original lower flyscreen so it should be pretty solid.
It comes with the washers and stuff to mount it.

I do not know how much it is. I will try to find out tomorrow.
They sent me this one for free!
Pretty cool company.
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