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Rkc00
Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about Se to the x = Fu to the n
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, this seems an appropriate place to post this. I can't claim credit for this. It was allegedly concieved while drinking beer at NCSU.

Anyway, lets say we have 2 ladders, one 10 feet long and one 15 feet long. We take the ladders into an alley. The base of the 10' ladder is placed at the right edge of the alley and leaned against the left wall. The base of the 15' ladder is placed at the left edge of the alley and leaned against the right wall. The ladders cross 5' above the ground. How wide is the alley?

Whats fun about this problem is not that it's hard. Its that I can tell you its hard and every Engineer will whip out a piece of paper, absolutly convinced that they can solve it, despite me telling them it's hard.

It's easy to get a numerical solution to this problem. But I bet you can't find a closed form solution.
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Dr_greg
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You're right, it does look easy...a little trig and the answer should pop right out. I'll take a look at it today and let you know.
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You're right, it does look easy...a little trig and the answer should pop right out.

And so it starts
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Uh, Jim, no answer is popping out for me.

I'm calling it Hilbert's 17th and unsolved.

G2
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Dr_greg
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm, yes, the closed-form solution IS elusive.

No matter, drag out the ol' computer:

alley width = 6.1559 ft
angle of 10' ladder = 0.9077 (52.0050 degrees)
angle of 15' ladder = 1.1479 (65.7703 degrees)

(done using nonlinear optimization)
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm, yes, the closed-form solution IS elusive.

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Bigdaddy
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> [Jim, That's a hardware issue. Sorry, can't help you, but I have generated a trouble ticket. :-)

G2

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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It took you 11 months to generate my trouble ticket?
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Strange indeed. That's from an attempted post using email -- shows my IP as coming from internal source. So, I'd guess SMTP burped out some stored email responses.

I'm slow, real slow, but 11 months would be in violation of my very, very, very liberal SLA : )

G2
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently your internal source is going nuts :-)
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Jackbequick
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Greg!

You can say that again!

Jack
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim, Your close : )

Jack,

No one listens to me and I feel like I'm talking to a hammer so I repeat myself : )


It's all better now,

G2
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