| Author | Message | ||
     2hogs |
Hey All, I finally wandered up to the dealer (same dealer I have a deposit on an XB12X) to see their outright buy price on my '05 Night Train. He says $13K. The story I get is the ramped up HD production is knocking the heck out of the used market. I've seen '04s with more miles on showroom floor for $15,500. Maybe they just don't want my business (both bikes, parts and service). I'm now kicking the thought of a loan pmt around, so far it's losing :-( | ||
| Jim_sb |
Eventually supply is going to catch up with demand and a more typical price curve is going to be seen regarding used HD's. Unless of course gas gets so expensive it forces folks out of cars and onto bikes.  Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| 99buellx1 |
On the floor for $15,500. So that means that they will probably take a bit less maybe $15k and figure that they payed $13k for it and did a service and a rear tire, now they have $13.5k in it. So they are making $1500 on the bike sale. That is how business keep the lights on, they need to make money. | ||
| 2hogs |
Yea so? They'd put a $17K tag on an '05. Thus they pay me $13K throw in $500 for the service they again have $13.5K. They want to make $3500. I know they need to turn a profit and $1500 is reasonable. $3500 means I'll do business elsewhere. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
$17k? Do you know that for a fact? An '06 retails for between $15445 - $15955. I dont think they would be looking to put a used on the floor for more than new. I know I wouldn't. | ||
| 2hogs |
Fact? No. $17K is based on a stock bike with $4K in SE parts that were dealer installed. So yea it's more than a stock '06, but less than same '06 with the added parts. Thus put a $16950 tag on it, take $16K and they make $2500. No worries. I'll put it in the local paper and a few bulletin boards. Anything over $13K is just more accessories for the XB12X. | ||
| Koz5150 |
I think Dealers should be able to charge and buy at the price they feel like, the average consumer does. If you don't like the price, go somewhere else, right? Or like you said sell your used bike privately. Then you get to keep the profits for your effort instead of the dealer. Hate the game, don't hate the player. Salesmen and owners gotta feed their families too. | ||
| 2hogs |
Koz, Hate? I am indifferent to the individuals at the dealership. Just wondering why customer loyalty doesn't seem to matter much anywhere anymore. Said dealer is the place I go for parts, service and clothes which amounts to a good deal of money over the years. They also happen to be the nearest Buell dealer, thus why I have the XB12X deposit there. Maybe just a matter of the left and right hands no knowing what the other is doing. Maybe talking with the GM or owner would help, but it's just easier to sell myself. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
2hogs, If you want to get retail price for your bike, sell it yourself. How much you have spent on accessories, parts, and so on in the past does not matter. Each department is a seperate entity and has to report profits to the boss. We're talking about a business here, who's sole reason for existing is to make money. They are going to try to make money, and as much as they can. Thats what they are there for. Don't hate them or be upset with them. Don't let your emotional attachment to your bike get in the way of business. Business is business is business. | ||
| Koz5150 |
Said dealer is the place I go for parts, service and clothes which amounts to a good deal of money over the years. They also happen to be the nearest Buell dealer, thus why I have the XB12X deposit there. And if you don't like the price there you can always go to the next dealer, who will likely charge you the same. Yeah, it sucks, but your dealer is not like your bartender. Then again, I am sure you don't give him a tip everytime he serves you either. I just don't understand why people think they are entitled to a discount because they use a certain dealer all the time. Think about how much money people drop in Vegas before they get any real comps from a hotel? You are entitled to a honest transaction, anything above that is up to the dealer. That's what makes some dealers better then others. The key is to go to a place you feel comfortable doing business. Not all consumer groups are profitable to pursue, it's a matter of time vs. profit. When I look at the Uly I can see why many dealerships don't care to carry them. There is more money in aftermarket parts then the sale of the bike. So after you buy your bike what else are you going to purchase? Chrome pipes (or any other chrome upgraded part), custom paint, twisted spoke rims? You could buy one of every aftermarket item Buell sells and you would be lucky if it equalled what the average HD consumer will spend on aftermarket junk for one year. They sell more lines of HD clothing for your dog then styles of T-shirts for Buell! Want more proof, check out the number of companies that make aftermarket parts for Buell vs. any other bike. They are few and far between for a reason. Most of all you gotta remember what Indy_bueller said, business is business and that's just life. If you think any other brand treats it's customers better, I would love to know. Of course even after all that, I still love my Buell (I must be nuts?) | ||
| 2hogs |
Indy_bueller, Yep selling it myself. Just wanted to check the dealer as going thru them would make transfer of tags, and shifting insurance easier. Selling it myself I'll have to drop insurance, wait until XB12X comes in, then get tags and ins. Koz, I get the impression you work for a dealership, cause you are defending them pretty hard. No matter, I'm old enough and have 2 Harleys, so you haven't said anything I didn't already know. No bartender here as I don't drink, so bars aren't frequented. Discount? Entitled? No. However, the parts guys at the dealer I do business at have saved me a couple bucks by mentioning an upcoming sales event when I stopped in to get some parts. Did he have to do this? No. I appreciated that he did and that's why I frequent this dealer. We must see Buells differently. I see a well engineered bike that is comfortable (XB12X), dependable, easy to maintain, and fun to ride. The lack of chrome, and painted parts means easy cleanup and thus more road time. Oh, one of my Harleys has ~$6K in dealer installed performance parts and accessories, and will have ~$4-5K more before I'm finished mods. The one I'm selling has ~$4K. So yea, I know HD is more than motorcycles. | ||
| Koz5150 |
I don't work for a dealer, but I am partially self employed. I am just deffending the right of all businesses to make a profit. As a Buell customer though, my "local" dealer is pretty decent to me (Dave S. in Appleton, you may have heard of him). That being said, you should also know I live in Milwaukee with 4 dealers within 20 minutes of my house. I have been using Appleton HD/Buell since before Dave was even there because they were that much better of a dealership in the time of PD (Pre Daves). Their service department is miles ahead of any of the Milwaukee dealerships in terms of price, promptness and customer relations. Also, I have seen Dave in action and he doesn't just wait by his computer hoping for Buell sales to come in off Badweb, he sells Baggers and V-rods and works the floor too. Most times I come in to get parts or just say hi, he is with a customer (and that is at 8:00 am). Good dealers will earn your business with fair prices that allow them to retain hard working staff members. Giving business to bad dealers only allows them to continue to treat others with the same crappy service they gave you. When it is all said and done, you get what you pay for. | ||
| 2hogs |
Koz, No disagreement there, I know they have to make a profit. Trust me, if you'd see this dealer, you'd know they are making a big profit. Course, I think they are more HD oriented. If you mention HD they have much interest, ask about Buell and not so much. Yea, I had a crazy idea to fly out to Appleton and buy from DaveS. On another note, I was stunned after a call to another dealer, farther away but recommended by a Badwebber, the salesman I talked to on the phone was still interested when I mentioned Buell. He said I should stop by and ride an '05 demo they have, so I brought my gear to work today and will stop by after to ride, chat and maybe throw down a deposit. Giving business to bad dealers only allows them to continue to treat others with the same crappy service they gave you How true this is, guess there is nothing wrong with having a dealer for HD stuff and another for Buell stuff. Cheers | ||
| Koz5150 |
Good luck! I hope this dealer earns your money and your respect. May the other one wither and die like the weed he is! | ||
| Daves |
I think you should get a plane ticket and come on out!  Or ride the Night Train, is it carbed or FI? Miles? Let's talk! 1-866-757-1651 ask for Dave in the sales dept. | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Don't forget if you trade it in, you'll been only paying sales tax on the difference between the two. So if they are selling the Uly at list, you shouldn't have any sales tax. That alone may be enough to save you the headache of trying to retail it yourself. | ||
| 2hogs |
Hattori_hanzo, Is this everywhere? I wonder if the dealers are aware of this? Thanks for the info. I'll run it past the dealer when I stop in this afternoon. No tax would mean more $$$ for XB12X accessories!!! Hummm I think a new jacket is required with a new bike purchase :-) Cheers | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
I know it's true here in AZ and in CA where I used to live. That's one of the factors I look at whenever I decide to make a vehicle change. How much headache vs actual extra cash made. Most of the time, the trade works out within an acceptable amount so why deal with a bunch of tire kickers? | ||
| Jim_sb |
Hattori_hanzo, It is NOT true in CA. See wording below from the CA BOE web site regarding trade-ins. Yes. The value of a trade-in is considered taxable. For example, if you sold a car for $20,000 and accepted a trade-in valued at $4,000 as partial payment, tax would be based on the $20,000 selling price (that is, you would not deduct the value of the trade-in from the sales price of the car being sold when computing sales tax). Regards, Jim in Santa Barbara | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Dang...could've swore that's how it was. But then again I moved away in 1991. Well okay fine, in AZ you only have to pay tax on the difference.  | ||
| Indy_bueller |
In Indiana you only have to pay tax on the difference too. It doesn't surprise me that the Soviet Socialist Republik of Kalifornia is different, they need the tax revenue to pay for those wonderful social programs.  | ||
| 2hogs |
Hey All, I'll address the tax issue when the bike comes in. I did a slight change. Another dealer, recommended by a badWeber, seems way better than my local dealers, so I put a deposit on an Orange one that should be in later this month. I'm still shocked there would be such a variance from 1 dealer to another. But thanks to the BadWeb, looks like my first Buell purchase will be a pleasant one. Cheers | ||
| Blake |
Sell your hog on ebay. You won't go wrong. |
