| Author | Message | ||
     Jerry_haughton |
anyone know? | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Hey Ferris, Last night that specific subject came up -- USA Automotive Standard was the answer. (Message edited by Bigdaddy on August 26, 2005) | ||
| Cruisin |
Yeah, regular automotive style...luckily not anything proprietary like the stupid BMW mini plug. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
the BMW style is NOT proprietary, and would seem to be good way to go, based upon the following info from www.powerletproducts.com :  Cigarette/Cigar Lighter - This is your basic automotive type connector. Unfortunately there are no standards for the design of either the plugs or the sockets. Keep in mind this was never designed to be a connector; it was designed to be a cigarette lighter. The connection between plug and socket can be intermittent or even non-existent. There is no standard to dictate how the plugs and sockets are manufactured. The sockets are manufactured in two popular sizes, 21mm & 22.2mm (inside diameter). Also while the center terminal is always positive, the design of the terminals can vary widely. These variables can cause a mismatch between the plug and the socket. Primarily it causes problems with loose or sloppy fits between the various manufacturers plugs and the socket. Vibration must be minimized and 21mm sockets are highly recommended. Our experience shows that even well manufactured cigarette plugs & sockets have a tendency to vibrate out of the socket when mounted directly to a motorcycle frame or panel. We believe that the fused, "spring loaded" center terminal actually "pushes" the plug out. However, these are a very popular format and under the right conditions, they can work just fine. Advantages: Popular, one hand operation. Many appliances are supplied with this type of connector. Disadvantages: Big - it requires the most mounting space, problems mating plugs and sockets, not weather resistant, not reliable, not capable of high current loads like heated clothing. Caution: Many cigar sockets are not capable of high current loads like heated clothing.  Powerlet - This is the same connector that BMW has been using on their motorcycles for many years. For that reason they are sometimes referred to as a "BMW type". These connectors are more popular in Europe than in the US. These sockets and plugs are all manufactured to industry standard specifications. Therefore they are compatible, independent of the socket or plug manufacturer. Some sockets are made of plastic; others are metal. High quality Powerlet sockets are machined from aluminum. The plastic ones typically do not hold the plug well and they will heat up during high current operation. Overall this connector type is well suited for small vehicle applications. On these connectors the center terminal is always positive. Due to the DIN spec they all require an 18mm mounting hole, even the stock BMW's adhere to this standard. The lid in the picture is held partially open for photographic purposes; it would normally snap shut. With over 12 patents pending Jastek Engineering is pioneering the road to adopt this form factor as the industry standard motorcycle connector. Advantages: Small size, one hand operation, aesthetically pleasing, will not scratch the paint like a dangling cord, solid connection between plug and socket, high current capability, weather resistant, high reliability. Disadvantages: Not as popular as the SAE and Cigarette lighter connectors in the US, more expensive than SAE connectors. | ||
| Coolice |
If ya have a John Deere dealer close, I have the part numbers somewhere. They use the same "BMW" style plugs, so they are not exclusive BMW. And I made adaptors to use non-bmw stuff on other bikes. The plugs are better. | ||
| Cruisin |
Sorry, proprietary wasn't the word I meant to use. It's a good socket, don't get me wrong. It's just that I have yet to get an accessory that comes in that plug size (okay, I know heated clothing does, but that's about it). | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
i just ordered two adapters from Powerlet, to convert the Uly's cigarette lighter-style to the BMW-style that Denise and i use on our heated gear. something tells me it's cold at thanks all for the feedback, and thanks to Al and Joanne at American Sport Bike for actually looking at the sockets on their Uly, confirming the style, and confirming that there's room with the seat installed to still be plugged in to the underseat socket. FB (Message edited by jerry_haughton on August 26, 2005) | ||
| Prior |
Oh hell, I forgot about that cold thing. No 'lectrics for this trip I guess! Coolice, PM me the Deere part number, did a quick search of our catalogs and found over 500 different types. I'd be interested to see what else we have available and if I can get that stuff wired up to the 'Bolt. | ||
| Blake |
Hey bro FB, you planning to achieve flight? I now see your strategy to make up time on that long day you have planned. You been watching that Evel Kneivel movie again?  Tallest peak in CO is ~14,300' ASL. | ||
| Chainsaw |
The highest point in Colorado is Mt. Elbert at 14,433 feet above sea level. | ||
| Court |
Jerry: This is what I use on my road bikes. It is NOT proprietary. You are wise to change if you are going to be spending long days in the saddle. My Ulysses will have two of these and an electrical distribution panel.  Court | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
thanks Court. as i mentioned above, the "BMW" style, as in your pic, is not proprietary. my FJR is set up with a two-hole power outlet kit from Powerlet, in the BMW style, and works peachy. alas, the Uly comes with cigarette lighter-style connectors, and since it's not my bike to change (plus i don't have enough time between now and next Sunday), i simply ordered adapters from Powerlet to convert the Uly's cigarette lighter-style to BMW style, so our heated gear will be functional. will be interesting to see if the Uly's connectors are up to the task. FB | ||
| Branebanger |
very intersting post i wish i had time to find out more about the plugs you are using court, but I'm leaving tomorrow morning soon as I can roll out of Liberty's lot. for now I'm getting a DC/AC converter, and will put a powerstrip in my bag to plug in all my chargers I wasn't sure if the ignition switch cuts off the electric outlets? | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Banger: www.powerletproducts.com | ||
| Henrik |
I think, if you can find them, that the John Deere version of these plugs are much less expensive. Of course it requires that you have time to look for them. Henrik | ||
| Coolice |
Found my old receipts from John Deere with part numbers, male plug-#RE11344, female plug-#AL25073. Just call a John Deere dealer and they should have them or order them for you. I used them on my BMW for my battery tender and gps hook up. Hope that helps. | ||
| Prior |
I found the Deere part numbers on a google search, I'll take a look through our parts system in the morning and see what all is avaliable and approx costs... The really cool part about having a Deere part that'll work is we have dealerships all over the place, no need to deal with mail order and if you need parts on the road, you've got a source that is close. Go Uncle John! Alex Alex | ||
| Prior |
Those are the numbers I found as well. The prices I dug up are $17.88 for the RE11344 and $15.13 for the AL25073. Those might be for quantites of 10 or so though. I'll look into it in the morning. I'll also see what other parts fall into the same family. | ||
| Jackbequick |
I get a little sticker shock at the prices of the Powerlet stuff but I guess it is good. I wired a cigarette lighter socket in for my GPS and used the "SAE" style (rectangular rubber plug with one exposed male plug and one shrouded female socket) because it was easy to find. It looks like Powerlet sells some or all of their line on eBay too. I like the descriptions and photos there better than their web page. Prices are the same as their web page. I have a vest that uses that plug, I guess I will have to get a socket on a cable made up for that if I want to use it. Jack | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
very happy with the Powerlet kit for my FJR, well-made and executed. the connections using the "BMW" style, once made, are solid and secure. i had to get an adapter so i could plug the Battery Tender (SAE type connector) into the FJR, and a separate adapter to power my heated gear (Widder "banana plug" type). not sure what i'll do with the two adapters (male cigarette to female BMW) i had to purchase for the Uly after this trip is over. FB | ||
| Mikej |
"not sure what i'll do with the two adapters (male cigarette to female BMW) i had to purchase for the Uly after this trip is over. " Just leave them with the bike perhaps?????  "The Ferris Connection " | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
good idea, bet Madduck could use 'em!  | ||
| Branebanger |
you were absolutely right about the regular connectors shaking loose. luckily I had duct tape, after 3 stops and taping everyting together, it all stayed put for the rest of the trip 4k+ miles. |
