| Author | Message | ||
     Gonen60 |
to be the best selling buell ever? I have never been in the market for that sort of bike, so I feel like I am out of the loop on this type of motorcycle. I just know the sort of folks I ride with, no one has that type of bike, even as a 2nd bike. When everyone starts raving about it, I feel lost. I am only asking to try and learn. though I have no desire to own a bike like the new "X" I hope it sells like aces ! | ||
| Mikej |
I probably won't be buying one, but will get a test ride in on one sometime in the next 12 months or so. Watch what happens between now and the end of August for the answer to your question. (back to looking at RoadKings and such and whatnot) | ||
| Metalstorm |
I have no need for the X as well but I sure do think it's awesome. That's one thing that for me, separates Buell from all other others. Even the bikes I wouldn't consider owning appeal to me & impress me greatly. I can't think of any other brand that I can say that about. (No, not even Ducati). I too hope they sell like crazy. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
The clincher for me, is how the "extended" windscreen looks, and works. Many of us have been crying out for an S3T replacement. the X is 90% of what we've been asking for IMHO. | ||
| Outrider |
Steve...Not to mention you are so friggin tall, Erik had to have made this bike especially for you. Mike...Good luck waiting in line for that test ride. LOL Speaking of Test Rides, the Milwaukee Rally is this weekend and they are supposed to have Buell Test rides. I wonder if the XB12X will be in the fleet? | ||
| Dsergison |
about the only thing I don't like is the appearance (in picture) of the front fork guards. the larger ergo's and luggage options appeal alot. and (insert obligatory desire for 150hp here) :P | ||
| Mikej |
Going to be a short line where I'll be going.  | ||
| Light_keeper |
I wonder who will be the first to put the X tail on the Ss? | ||
| Pcmodeler |
I have a feeling the larger market for this bike is oversees. This isn't to slam the bike but I'm just not into that type of bike. If I wanted to go off road, I would get a separate enduro style bike for off roading and keep my XBR on the street. Personally, I would have liked to see the "R" offered as a low and a full fairing offered, preferably with some small storage bins for at least putting sun glasses and gloves in. Oh yeah, and a helmet lock and tie down straps for that spider bungee. | ||
| Stou |
I can't wait to get a demo ride for the X. I'm just a bit worry to like it too much. I don't really want to sell my little XB9SX..... maybe I'll buy a 3rd bikes... or sell my FZ1! | ||
| Jeremyh |
"Overseas"........thats funny because a very similar style of bike made by our overseas German folk seem to sell like hotcakes where i live. I am pretty sure you will see these 12X's plastered all over the west at the least. There are many people here that enjoy, sporty, multi-purpose bikes. Lets just say there are very few streets that i ride down that i don't come across the BMW all terrain MC. | ||
| Dhutty |
I think it's going to sell well. I see a ton of the BMW adventure rigs here in New York City. I've also never really wanted a bike of that sort, but I find Ulysses VERY compelling. | ||
| Shanetbolt |
Maybe I'll find a demo ride at the Milwaukee rally this weekend or at least see it in person. It sure is different but yet the same in some respects. I saw the spec's for suspension travel and compared them to the rest of the line up (not including Blast). Ulysses: front travel = 6.51", rear travel = 6.38" All other XB models: Front = 4.72", rear = 5.06" Ground clearance: Ulysses=6.75" XB9R, 9S, 12R, & 12S=4.35" XB12Ss=4.66" XB12Scg=3.55" So the Ulysses offers more travel and more ground clearance for the occasional off road adventure. But it is not intended for any kind of track use where jumps or whoops are found. Just the occasional fire road or dry river creek bed. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I want it. I'll still test ride it of course, but I want that bike. | ||
| Jeremyh |
and i want one of every bike ever produced after year 2000 | ||
| Dhutty |
Jeremyh - me too! I think the one weak-link in the Ulysses concept is the belt-drive - I don't think it's bad by any means, but I believe that people who buy BMW Adventure Tours are going to be concerned about the reliablilty of the belt as compared to a shaft. Therefore I think Buell should do a campaign to assure the public of the sturdiness of the belt - I envision a television commercial like the American Tourister ads from the 70's the ones with the gorilla and the suitcase. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
I've often thought about getting an adventure-type bike. Both the BMW R1150GS and the KTM 950 Adventure have been peaking my interest lately. The new X would let me keep the Buell that I love with the versitility of the adventure bike. I'm hoping to add the Ulysess to my garage within the next 18 months. BTW...has anyone tried lower the S3T? It's too tall for my wife (just thinking ahead  ) | ||
| Reepicheep |
On the other hand, if you can safely pack a replacement belt on the bike somehow, and it only occupies very little space and very little weight, it could arguably be much more reliable then a shaft. It is far simpler, roadside repair would be about as simple as could be, and the odds of two failures in a time frame smaller then it would be posssible to get another hot spare could be effectively zero. | ||
| Gschuette |
PCmodeler-not everyone has enough income to afford two bikes. For those who must compromise I can not think of a better compromise bike. I am sure the bike will still outhandle scores of Japanese bikes while retaining the ability to do some light off roading. Looks great and I am sure they will sell every one they can build. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Dhutty - that's a good idea, but how are you going to get a gorilla with a suitcase to ride the new Ulysses???? | ||
| Tramp |
LB- three things- first, in california, where i spend a third of my life, 'adventure/dualsport' bikes sell like hotcakes. everyone out there is all about having a kayak atop the suv with snowboards on either side and eighteen mtn. bikes on the tailrack. these big on/off bikes rea just the nut thereabouts, and i have to assume that's the case in a lot of the west. secondly- offroad and dualsport are huge in the states. trouble is, most of us hicks who dig offroad are verfy patriotic about our toys, and tere simply has not been an american offroad offered to us since the old sprints, which featured fewer american components than the new buell adventure/dualsport. thirdly- these higher-standing dualsport bikes are an absolute gas in the wtisties, the longer travel frontends and the higher seat position translate to steeper lean axis in the turns and smoother absorption of washboard and pothole. we used to joke at BMW that the GS series were the finest sportbike BMW offered. In ski racing, back in the eighties, many pro guys began using a product known as the 'derbyflex' plate. it was a 15" length of aluminum, with a high-density rubber laminate sandwiched beneath it, which a tech would affix to the center of the ski, and then would fix the bindings to, ostensibly to act as a vibration damper. (please don't say "dampener"....it's like nails on a chalkboard to me, just like "HeighTH", etc.). anyway-the guys using these vibration dampers started turning in faster times. much faster times, which the damping of some high-frequency chatter through the ski would not account for. after some really gifted pro-series coaches watched their charges running through training courses, they noticed they athletes were able to turn their skis over on edge more easily, as a result of the extra height-leverage afforded by the derbyflex plates. in a matter of years, derbyflex plates, and all of the eventual imitators, were a must-have item for all wannabe racers and actual racers, alike. soon manufacturers produced skiis with such 'elevators' already laminated in, and thus a newer, mor eefficient style of skiing was to be seen on mountains worldwide, bolstered shortly thereafter by the introduction of the parabolic or "Shaped" ski ...another story. anyway, the GS adventure/dualsport BMWs, designed, again obstensibly, with higher rider attitude/suspension travel for better absorption, found a generation of riders who lusted after it's superior canyon-carving prowess, on the well-paved twisties of the home continent and certainly abroad, including north america. let's not view/prejudge the new buell adventure style machine through the limitations of the designers' intentions, but, rather, by what we feel out in the canyons and backroads of our hoe terrain. we might just be looking at van gogh's ear  | ||
| Cataract2 |
Hey, did anyone view the Development Video on the XB12X site? XB12X Kinda interested seeing what they did to it. Click on the link and go to ETC and check the Development video. (Message edited by cataract2 on July 26, 2005) | ||
| Dhutty |
Johnnylunchbox - Cocaine laced bannanas Dhutty | ||
| Budo |
I have concerns about someone putting the front wheel in deep gravel or sand or a rut and grinding the brake rotor. I think the brake pads will foul and bind the front wheel. I think, and hope this will be a great seller for Buell. I am also wondering if in the past Buell salesmen have had a problem relating to the Buell street bikes and selling, well how are they going to do with the Adventure/sport or whatever it is called. It is even further removed from mainstream HD. YMMV | ||
| Blake |
Well let's analyze your concerns shall we? Deep gravel/sand/rut... You think the brake pads will foul and bind the front wheel. 1. The front wheel would need to sink into the gravel/sand/rut five inches before even reaching the level of the outer edge of the brake disk and another 1-1/4" before reaching the level of the inner edge, so over 6-inches total. 2. In addition to the wheel sinking 6+ inches into gravel/sand/rut, said gravel/sand/rut would need to wash around the edge of the tire and rim to contact the brake disk. As the tire's outermost edge protrudes significantly beyond the rim which in turn protrudes beyond the brake disk, as long as the bike is moving at even a walking pace, it is unlikely that any significant quantities of gravel/sand/rut will ever have the chance to wash onto the brake disk. But it could probably happen in a deep morasse of mud or loose sand. 3. To foul the brake pads and put the brake in a bind said gravel/sand/rut must find a way to take hold and travel up adhering itself to the disk in defiance of centrifugal forces, and gravity. Said debris would then need to lodge itself between disk and pad(s) to a point that the pistons become fully retracted and said debris commences imitating the brake pad itself. This is unlikely. The brake pads float naturally always in light contact with the disk acting as very efficient wipers to keep the disk clean. Should any debris find its way between pad and disk, it would then also need to find a way to lodge itself in place. And then it would take a lot more debris to build up, force the pads/pistons to retract 100% and cause a significant binding action. Seems to me that deep mud would be the most worrisome situation. Motocross bikes endure having their brake disks splashed and thoroughly coated with mud usually with no ill effects. Not sure why the Buell brake should behave any differently. Maybe the increased centrifugal force associated with a larger diameter disk will even act to prevent fouling of the front brake. But don't let me stop you from inventing imaginary problems. Me, I plan to take an XB12X for a good long rigorous test ride, on and off the streets. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm not expecting any major flaws or problems. | ||
| Bomber |
Budo -- being a luddite at heart, I felt the same when disk brakes first appeared on dirt bikes -- my misgivings havn't seemed to have affected the proliferation of said devices on em, though (go figure ;-} ) as I'm sure you know, the Uly ain't intended as a desert sled, and I doubt if anyone will enter one into a Hare and Hound, but something tells me that the scoot will do great in it's intended environment, and will do pretty darned well out beyond the edge of the design spec . . . . as for what happens when the Aerostich wearing guys with their hyrdation systems strapped to their backs start showin up at the local Chrome and Dog Dish Boutiques, well, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when THAT happens (big grin smiley here) . . . . as has been proven before, there are a number of guys (like DaveS and Clown) who'll be able to deal well with the new friends that come into the shop -- others will learn, some lesson or another, with the fullness of time Court sez there are big-time changes comin -- he's, as is his wont, maddingly non-specific about said changes (not a bad marketing ploy for a simple construction worker, eh?), but I'm hopin HDI can inject the right kinda Kool-AId into the dealer stream . . . . | ||
| Tramp |
Meddeningly non-specific statements allow for a wide latitude in error, later.... kinda like when the weatherman says "partly cloudy" or "partly sunny" ...whassa dif'rence? | ||
| Budo |
Well, I guess that takes care of that. | ||
| Tramp |
Court is just non-specific in terms of what he can and cannot disclose, as a gent.... wasn't accusing him of meteorological vaguery.... | ||
| Whodom |
I'm amazed at all the posts on Advrider by people who "know" that inside-out brake won't work in the dirt, and how it's not that good anyway (they read it in a magazine after all) and if Buell REALLY wanted to make an adventure bike they'd put dual disks on it. Same logic as Motorcyclist saying Buell's frame geometry has to be wrong because nobody else uses it. |
